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Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by babaorum, Jun 21, 2025.

  1. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    Pelé also .. did it this Team-job .. !
     
  2. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  3. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #128 carlito86, Nov 10, 2025
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2025
    I missed this
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    Michel Platini’s ridiculous key pass to Jacques Zimako against Bayern Munich in 1979.

    That’s why there will be a part two when I get around to it.


    And whoever has the time and wants to laugh should watch France vs Canada in 1986.
    Jean Pierre Papin delivered the absolute worst performance I have seen in my life.
    I mean ever

    It was so diabolical that the English commentator said and I’m quoting verbatim
    “Well we’re in a city whence it’s said that 90 million pairs of shoes are sold each year and I can only suggest that Jean Pierre Papin goes in search for a different pair of boots because he’s never going to score with these ones”

    And what’s even funnier is that he ended up scoring later in the match, the flukiest goal you’ll ever see, and his own teammate tried to claim it :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

    Sofascore gave him a 8/10 and all I can say is that is complete BS.
     
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  4. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    Jean Pierre `Papin ... at averages

    at Ac Milan years .. was very very Bad on my view ...

    was fantastic at O. Marseille .. from France ...


    and Belgian Clubs ..also;;;

    But.... at Ac Milan ...

    never shone really !
     
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  5. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    yes... I saw this whole Game as well once like you did it completely right now . !

    some years ago already Carlito 86 .. !
     
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  6. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    #131 Trachta10, Nov 12, 2025
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2025
    First 140 Games
    Clutch Goals and Assists (Opta)
    [​IMG]


    First 300 Games
    Clutch Goals and Assists (Opta)
    [​IMG]


    First 500 Games
    [​IMG]
     
  7. babaorum

    babaorum Member+

    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Papin was pretty good in his first season with AC Milan and his overall record there (31 goals in 62 games) is not that bad considering he was quite often on the bench.
     
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  8. babaorum

    babaorum Member+

    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    What's the link with Platini ?
     
  9. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    .....

    I'm not speaking about amount Of Goals in general .

    I'm speaking about averages Of performances in general ..


    It is normal ... to score .. 0, 50 % per game to one pure Attacker like Papin was ..But nothing extraordinary !


    ....
    ..

    I saw so many many whole Matches Papin playing for Ac Milan ... !

    honestly ... i don't like it completely ... weaker performances ....for sure .. !
     
  10. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    ...

    Papin .. at O.Marseille from France and for belgian Clubs....

    simply at the same level as Romario's Peak ....


    simply Insane Goals ...completely ...and with very very good performances also ...

    when Papin drop deeper Out of the box ....

    ..........
    ..

    also Papin making great Plays .. "!
     
  11. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    well , i saw All Of this .. "!
     
  12. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Gullit saved the Ac Milan ... in 1992/1993 ... season ....even on the Bench ....


    against ... Torino ...As Roma .... Foggia ...away-games ,,.. etc,etc,etc , .. !



    even against .. FC Porto ... away-game .. 1992/1993 ... when Papin ..did it ... a great Goal . !
     
  13. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    ...
    ..
    he was quite often on the bench. yes ..


    But
    Gullit also ....


    Gullit was visibly being mocked or humiliated by Fabio Capello in 1992/1993 season .
    Gullit was also playing well in the games, and Fabio Capello always took him out of the games as soon as possible . "!



    ........
    ..
    Gullit...

    was beloved by Arrigo Sacchi,


    Even though Gullit was injured...

    Arrigo Sacchi, he would put Gullit in to play.




    already Capello Fabio .......Of course ...that not not...



    so ...

    with Papin ..

    Capello Fabio ..

    He was nice to him


     
  14. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    so

    Capello was lovely with Papin.
     
  15. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #140 carlito86, Nov 13, 2025
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2025
    Jean Pierre Papin moved to Serie A when he was 29 years old and maybe there is something in that

    All of these points can be true at the same time:

    That he had a rather unimpressive international career, despite what looks like a very goal scoring record for his country.

    That he was genuinely world class for Marseille both in Ligue 1 and the Champions League for a stretch of fewer than five seasons.


    And that even greater strikers than himself like Andriy Shevchenko and Ronaldo Nazário were already in decline by age 29, while Romário himself could no longer cope with European football at that age.

    Romário’s last great performance against a world class European team was against Manchester United in late 1994 when he was 28 years old
    2 November 1994: Manchester United are thrashed in Barcelona | Sport | The Guardian


    He scored a few goals against Manchester United again in 2000, if i remember correctly, but European teams didn’t care about the FIFA Club World Cup in the late 1990s. We’ve seen even in its most recent edition how much it means to South American teams, as they see it as a source of bragging rights for one or two or three favourable results against European sides.

    We don’t care at all even if they do.
     
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  16. Frank73

    Frank73 Member

    Inter Milan
    Brazil
    Mar 22, 2025
    Italy

    As a matter of fact, his AC Milan goals were on average more impressive than MVB's.
     
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  17. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    ....
    ..


    I mean



    Like Football Manager the game of the virtual Head-coaches around the entire World ...



    .....


    If you wished or asked to me ...as main Head-Coach ... in the season 1990/1991 around the World ...


    Wiliam Felipe

    working like a Scouter to you ...




    I rate Jean Pierre Papin ...

    as higher priority to hire him ... number one 1## in the whole World .... !

    than I saw ...him ... playing ..... in France and in Belgium ..... totally ..Insane moments ...


    even

    ahead ..Romário, Bebeto , Marco Van Basten , Hugo Sanchez and Diego Armando Maradona



    1 - Jean Pierre Papin

    2- Gianluca Vialli

    3- Ruben Sosa


    4- Roberto Mancini

    5- Antonio Careca

    6- Raí

    due to high performances from 1986 to 1991




    .....
    ..

    Regarding national teams in general:

    They are overrated...

    They represent only...

    between

    10% and 15% of a player's entire career.



    So ...

    I would hire Papin yes for sure ...


    ...

    He was phenomenal

    at O. Marseille from France ..


    Honestly, I don't know

    if Romário, Nazario, or Schevackenko

    were really much better

    than Papin from Marseille

    ...


    for me ..

    Papin... was slightly better ... than All them .....


    at Marseille ....


    What impressed me most...
    because of the beautiful goals
    at Marseille


    ..

    .
    Man...

    Ronaldo Nazario de Lima

    has no

    bicycle kick goals in his entire career;

    and no higher volley goals

    like

    Bebeto

    Papin
    Hugo Sanchez
    Antonio Careca
    Van Basten Marco
    Rivaldo
    Vialli GianLuca
    Viola
    etc.etc.etc..



    .........
    ..

    That's why I say Papin at AC Milan

    for me

    it was very disappointing




    I was one bigger Fan Of Papin ..... more younger ..in my life .. "!


     
  18. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    Really .... ????


    for sure ... no Frank 73 !.

    no way Frank 73 ...


    even ....brazilian Attackers rating Marco Van Basten .. much more higher than you ...


    like

    Romario the littleman
    Antonio Careca
    Evair El Matador ...
    Muller
    Walter Casa Grande Jr .... o Casão...
    Tita
    ...
    ..


    They mention
    and they remember
    memorable performances by Van Basten on the pitch .






    ............
    I agree with you... largely... and some of your criticisms of Van Basten yes.



    But being a denier all the time

    is not the best way to define...the concrete facts.


    We cannot erase Van Basten's great performances.

    (by AC Milan)
     
  19. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    in general ....... yes ...


    at Ac Milan .....not not not not ... "!
     
  20. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    ....

    Romário had ..... great years ...... at .......1997 ...

    with the double ..or duo.... Romário and ..Ronaldo Nazario de Lima ...

    ..

    at 1999 and ..2000 ....

    Copa-Mercosul ..Brazil Cup..... and Brasileirão...


    in 2000

    were


    73 Matches
    73 Goals
    16 Assists ...
    .....


    with Juninho Paulista .... Juninho... Per ....Euller .....Viola ....Felipe ...etc.etc..etc.
     
  21. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  22. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    ........
    ..
    1988-1989 [​IMG] Marco van Basten ............. AC Milan 10 Goals ..... !



    1989-1990 [​IMG] Romário
    [​IMG] Jean-Pierre Papin .............. PSV Eindhoven
    ............................................................................ Olympique de Marseille 6



    1990-1991 [​IMG] Peter Pacult
    [​IMG] Jean-Pierre Papin ................. FC Tirol Innsbruck
    ..................................................... Olympique de Marseille 6



    1991-1992 [​IMG] Jean-Pierre Papin
    ................................................................ Sergei Yuran
    [​IMG] Olympique de Marseille
    ............................................................... Benfica Lisbonne 7




    Ligue des champions de l'UEFA



    1992-1993
    [​IMG] Romário ................. PSV Eindhoven 7............Goals
     
  23. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #148 carlito86, Nov 15, 2025
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2025
    6 of Romario’s 7 CL goals in 1992/93 were scored against

    AEK Athens
    Zalgiris
    Porto


    And he lost 6 of the 9 games he played in the 92/93 CL
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    Romário - Stats 92/93 | Transfermarkt

    Raw goal totals and GPG mean nothing without context and his 1993/94 Champions League run was just as poor with the only difference being that Stoichkov’s performances covered for him until they met AC Milan.

    Romário was never at any point a top level European Cup/Champions League performer.

    What he brings to the table is one good World Cup tournament scoring 5 goals and one elite campaign in a top 5 European league(La Liga 93/94).

    And for what it’s worth Sofascore doesn’t seem to think he was even a top 3 player on his own team let alone being a legitimate golden ball contender/winner.
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    You can feel free to disagree with this of course but way before Sofascore even existed it was pretty much accepted across the board that the best player of the 1994 World Cup groupstages was Gheorghe Hagi and the best player of the KO rounds was Roberto Baggio.



    Romario was not the only supreme statpadder from his era
    Marco Van Basten was another
    8 of his 19 EC/CL goals came in just two matches(42%)

    He put four past Levski Sofia in 88/89 and four past IFK Göteborg in 92/93 (the same team that dismantled Romário’s farmer PSV).

    The difference is that Van Basten still produced when it mattered, scoring in EC semi finals and finals. Romário never did that or even came close to doing that.

    As far as this thread is concerned Michel Platini is clear of both.
     
  24. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    .................
    ..

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/g...0s-60s-70s-80s-and-90s.2137104/#post-43331844




    Yes... since this is about Michel Platini topics and career... I won't answer about that here...


    Carlito 86...

    We can talk about this...

    At greater performances. Thread
    ..
     
  25. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024




















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    Tackles won % or interceptions .... + What a Show by Michel Platini . !


    i did it ... one shorter edition about it .....these type Of Plays .. !
     

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