Happy Birthday - ObamaCare is one year old.

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by VFish, Mar 23, 2011.

  1. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
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  2. Steamer

    Steamer New Member

    Jan 30, 2006
    Happy Anniversary to the worst piece of legislation in the history of the world. Let's hope it dies before 2014.
     
  3. purojogo

    purojogo Member

    Sep 23, 2001
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    i wonder if you hated it as much when the Reeps proposed many of the same key points back in the 1990's
     
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  4. Mattbro

    Mattbro Member+

    Sep 21, 2001
    They were for it before they were against it.
     
  5. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    Fixed.
     
  6. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
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    You should try that trick on the bill itself.

    Can someone explain why Obamacare's biggest proponents are seeking waivers?
     
  7. The Gribbler

    The Gribbler Member

    Jul 14, 1999
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    Holy shit. Hall of fame material right there.
     
  8. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    1 Year later:

    A new CNN Poll indicates that a majority of the American people still oppose the Affordable Care Act, although 25% of that group opposes it because it is not liberal enough (same as last year). So:

    -46% dislike the ACA and believe it should be repealed.
    -13% dislike the ACA because it is not liberal enough, and that it should be improved upon.
    -37% support the ACA.
    -4% of the American people do not have an opinion

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...-time-doesnt-change-views-on-health-care-law/
     
  9. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    How old is Romney-care now?
     
  10. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    It turns 5 in several weeks. Its individual mandate is truly a triumph of conservative principle.
     
  11. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    I did.

    John Kerry is the only major national figure who has proposed a plan close to what I would support.
     
  12. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    ObamaCare is the Jew who sacrifices Christian babies.
     
  13. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
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    I think in America it changed to the jew that steals your investments and the Muslim that kills your babies.
     
  14. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    That's unfair. The law making Idi Amin president for life was probably worse.
     
  15. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    It's kind of funny how we are one year into the "worst piece of legislation in the history of the world" and little has changed for most of us. We still have our private insurance (and its not going anywhere), we haven't been subjected to death panels, those damn annoying kids who voted for Obama can now stay on their parents policies so they aren't running around uninsured, "pre-existing condition" is a term that is thankfully heading to the dust bin of history.

    Hmmm. The effects of this horrible legislation aren't that bad. Rates are going up but before you jump in here blaming Obama care, there is plenty of evidence and links that suggest this is related to costs in the system that are unrelated to the health reform law and (more significantly) were not addressed adequately in the health reform law.

    No, I would say there are a lot of good things that have happened in the last year concerning American health care. So, perhaps the worst piece of legislation in the history of the world would be the repeal measure passed by the republicans in the house that would strip away all of those good things with nothing to replace it with. Perhaps, the lesson here is that they should be focusing on fixing problems with the law -- and there are problems with the law.

    There are a lot of us who have already seen the benefits of reform so you will have a real hard time convincing us that this is the worst thing ever. Then there is a gigantic block of people who have remained in their own status quo -- just as promised. You will have a hard time convincing them of the evil in this law.

    The numbers keep slowly moving in a positive direction. If you add the approval numbers with those who thought it didn't go far enough, you are over 50% and opening up a gap on those who think it is a bad reform or should be repealed. That gap will continue to grow.

    When you run on lies, its a real bitch when those lies get exposed. That's why its fine to run on "Bill Ayers" but when you lose and Obama doesn't appoint the Weathermen to his cabinet, people look back on it and say, "wow, that was really a stupid argument."

    When people -- under the new health law -- don't have to convince a government panel to let Grandma live, they will look back and have less respect for the messengers of death.

    Happy first anniversary everyone! It's a great day and we can have better days in the future if our government works to improve an already great law.
     
  16. teamdragon

    teamdragon Moderator
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    Feb 16, 2008

    In layman's terms, could you explain which particular provision in this legislation is the most objectionable?
     
  17. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
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    I survived a death panel inquiry. It works.
     
  18. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Hey, mister talking moderated sense: ******** you. This is supposed to be a tirade against socialism or how the GOP is planning to turn union workers into meatloaf. Take your articulate, well-thought out ideas back to Jon Stewartland where they belong.:D
     
  19. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    Are you a self hating black man, is that the problem here?
     
  20. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Large employers have already done the math in regard to the health care exchanges that go live in 2014 . Since the fine for not offering each employee insurance is ridiculously low, they'd rather pay huge fines that are still much less than they spend in health care costs annually. It will come down to being competitive against your rivals but what would happen if some large co's in one sector all ditched their HC plans? When you think about it, an aircraft manufacturer and a phone company are not in business to offer HC to employees. It's a big drain. I guess that's a strong argument in favor of the single payer system, but big business did not get behind "socialized medicine." Probably a stupid position to take

    While companies with more than 50 workers that don't provide coverage will have to pay a fine, in many cases, the size of the fine is much smaller than the cost of providing coverage.

    AT&T paid about $2.4 billion last year to cover medical costs of its 283,000 active workers, according to one document.

    If the company were to push all those workers onto subsidized exchanges, AT&T estimated, it would only have to pay an annual penalty of $600 million, or $2,000 a worker.



    http://www.dallasnews.com/business/...g-firms-find-ending-health-insurance-5215.ece
     
  21. Steamer

    Steamer New Member

    Jan 30, 2006
    Chris M,
    The reason things haven't changed much for a lot of people is because the meat of it doesn't kick in until 2014. If it's still alive, it's going to get ugly.
    And what HAS changed for a growing number of people is rising premiums because of this horrible bill. The insurance we had for my wife and brat just happened to raise nearly $100 a month not long after Obamacare.
    Alll you have to know about Obamacare is all the unions and corporations applying for and getting waivers. It's a common sense question...if something is so good, why are so many trying to get out? And why are the most of them Obama supporters?
    Pelosi told us they had to pass it to know what was in it. Has anyone been able figure it all out, yet?
     
  22. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Aaaand tonight's gold medal for fitting in as many Fox News talking points as possible goes to...
     
  23. The Gribbler

    The Gribbler Member

    Jul 14, 1999
    Cedar Hill, Texas
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    I don't get it, why didn't my insurance rates skyrocket this year?
     
  24. YankHibee

    YankHibee Member+

    Mar 28, 2005
    indianapolis
    I'm still happy with it. I would have far preferred a single payer system, but I think this is more tenable politically. I think the opposition has shown their general disdain for everyone without family money in the time since the vote, cementing my disdain for them.
     
  25. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    Newsflash. Rates have been going up like this for some time.

    Health care costs have been rising for several years. Expenditures in the United States on health care surpassed $2.3 trillion in 2008, more than three times the $714 billion spent in 1990, and over eight times the $253 billion spent in 1980. Stemming this growth has become a major policy priority, as the government, employers, and consumers increasingly struggle to keep up with health care costs. [1]

    http://www.kaiseredu.org/Issue-Modules/US-Health-Care-Costs/Background-Brief.aspx

    Today, the average cost of a family health insurance offered by an employer is $13,375. That's up 131% over the last decade—a period in which inflation rose only 28%. And one estimate says that if costs continue on their current trajectory, premiums will go up another 166% in the decade ahead.

    http://money.blogs.time.com/2009/09/16/health-insurance-premiums-up-131-in-last-ten-years/

    It's incredibly disingenuous to say that health insurance premiums went up this year because of the health reform law.
     

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