Hamas Attacks, Israel Responds

The best way to get liberals to stop functioning as liberals is to scare them about the opposition. Once they start thinking that the political opposition is an unreasonable group of mouth breathers suddenly they start espousing Orwellian "doublethink" with zero issues.

 

Over here we have a large number of Muslim voters who instinctively support the Palestinians. They nearly always support the labour party. To that we can add a number of younger people who are just now becoming familiar with the history of the conflict, (for obvious reasons), and, not unreasonably, think the Palestinians have been badly treated.

So the historic support for Jews from the left, (which was extremely strong), has been weakened, particularly if people seem to be repeating platitudes and excuses for the current IDF overreaction.

That will NOT go down well.

 

Now the people putting up the posters of kidnapped toddlers are the "bad actors?"

I'll put it pretty plainly- anyone tearing down posters of kidnapped Israelis is a loathsome antisemite. If I found out one of my friends did that, our relationship would be over, and they'd no longer be welcome in my house.

 

Since we are talking about whether anti-Zionism is anti-Semitic maybe the issue is the lack of nuance in this board and the West.

In Israel there are more stances and I suggest that the closest to what most of you espouse is Post-Zionism. In essence, now that Israel exists and is a strong, viable state the issue is how to make it a fairer society that does not victimize Palestinians.

 

Aren’t you the guy who patrols local supermarkets daring kids too look at you the wrong way for your support of Israel so you can use your gun or show off your weight-lifting prowess?

 

What about people minimising the suffering of the people in Gaza or explaining away the actions of the IDF... how do you feel about them?

 

That post won the day.....

 

FWIW, I suppose on that basis I'D be described as a zionist because I support the idea of a jewish homeland. For me, (and I suspect for many of us), the idea of jews having a 'bolt-hole' makes sense. The problem, as we've discussed, is how far that argument is being pushed and also the disingenuous arguments used to support people adopting such a position.

 

The people I know who support Israel in this conflict aren't thrilled about what's happening to Palestinian civilians. But, we all know that their deaths are the fault of Hamas.

Some people (like my parents) just don't care about this conflict, one way or the other, since they don't see it as an American problem. I'm fine with that position. But even if you don't agree with that stance, indifference is a lot less morally repugnant than gleefully tearing down posters of kids kidnapped by terrorists.

 

Some inside knowledge which, I freely admit, has passed me by? Dunno!

 

We do, do we?

So, IOW, feck 'em! Well nice to know where we stand at least.

 

At the end of the day, the government of Gaza is responsible for the lives of its civilians, and it has the full power to end this war by returning the hostages, surrendering to the IDF, and turning over the planners and perpetrators of the 10/7 massacre.

Until they do, every dead Gazan is on them.

 

Jesus wept... LOL

With 'supporters' like you the Jews are going to need all the help they can get. You're almost a cardboard cut-out right-wing idiot and villain.

Hang on... are you the ron death Santis supporter?

 

So this insane bloodlust wouldn't have happened if not for the other insane bloodlust.

 

He is also a proud pro “Wipe Gaza” as well. So it all makes sense.

 

Where do you think the “Whole Foods Avenger” moniker comes from?

 

right, I’m referring to pre Hamas era when the PA represented both Gaza and WB, back when peace had a chance. But even back then, as we agree, settlements were a major thorn. In the grand scheme it always seemed like such a ridiculous reason for the process to fail, why couldn’t Israel be content with the land it already controlled?

 

That is so accurate. Looking forward to the South Park episode based on this type of guy.

Whole Foods Avenger: “WTF ARE YOU LOOKING AT, HUH? YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MY ISRAEL T-SHIRT? YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH I BENCH PRESS!!!”

Stan and Kyle: “Um, we’re just 5th graders buying something to eat. Calm down dude.”

 

I will need to post a picture of my neighborhood WF here!

what about the concealed weapon? Too much for South Park?