Hamas Attacks, Israel Responds

So we have to differentiate between people who support Hamas’ stated aims of killing Jews and ending Israel, and those who also support their organization dedicated to those aims?

 

their lives were just as shitty before Hamas, which is why they ended up with Hamas, out of hopelessness, despair and utter futility. The situation hasn’t changed in Gaza, same old ideology just got a new name and a new flag.

 

The perpetrators of 10/7 gleefully murdered u armed men, women, children and then called home to brag about what they had done.

Yes, I keep posting that because you can’t normalize that kind of hate by saying their lives under Hamas is no different than before.

 

The normal part is that there’s always been a simmering tension there which boils over occasionally into hostilities and atrocities, we’ve just never seen it on this scale, from either side, that I can remember. And ultimately the sooner we can get to an endgame, the better. Hamas isn’t going to be completely eradicated and there are hundreds of thousands of displaced people being completely terrorized, around the clock. Israel can squeeze them all into Rafah, but then what?

 

You can only say this if you have no concept of the sheer horror of the situation in Gaza these last twenty years, a situation that Israel bears primary responsibility for.

 

Nothing can justify 10/7.

 

I didn't say anything did, and you're correct: nothing can justify Hamas's crimes. But in the same vein, there is also no justification for Israel's crimes before or after.

No one here is justifying Hamas's crimes. Plenty of people are justifying Israel's.

 

For Israel, winning means something like a Gaza where Hamas has been degraded in its capabilities to the point where it would take 5-10 years for it to rearm to the level of trying to pull off a major attack again.

After this war is done, no Gazan will be allowed to work in, or even enter, Israel for a generation or more. The border will get even more heavily reinforced, and Israel’s only interaction with Gaza will be of a military nature.

 

The bolded part is absurd. Completely and utterly absurd.

In other news, unbeknownst to everyone on Earth, JFK gave $500,000,000,000,000,000 to the Soviet Union for development of nuclear weapons, with the caveat that those weapons must be used against the US. Seems legit.

 

You can’t be naive enough to believe that some significant percentage of that money (or the things that money buys) doesn’t end up in the pockets of Hamas.

 

It would be illogical to think Hamas doesn't end up getting some of the money that comes in in the form of aid for Gaza. But, have they received more money from both US and European leaders than just about any other country in the history of the world? Which is how @yasik19 put it, and @Naughtius Maximus responded to?

 

Israel Gaza: Hamas raped and mutilated women on 7 October, BBC hears
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181

Then you read something like this and it makes you physically sick. Absolutely breaks your heart.

 

Like I keep saying this policy of making Israel a special partner goes back decades to the 70s. It is a DoD idea that the Presidents are given to move off of it requires an alternative and takes years. Uncle Joey can't do that. He just happens to be the president as things turn sour and he has to ride it out. While the DoD looks for a new partner.

 

The Israeli people that didn't vote for Bibi and the Palestinians that don't support Hamas are the best you can get.

 

Maybe not. A few Dems including Jewish ones like Rashkin and Bernie have spoken out about restrictions and the Freedom Caucus is big on Isolationism so there maybe change in future policy but that is contingent on what the Arms lobby do to sway elected officials.

 

The underlying premise of your post is misplaced. Gaza isn't an independent entity: it's a territory that's been occupied and ruled over by Israel for going on 60 years now, and Israel controls most aspects its existence including the borders, entry and exit, the flow of food and goods, the airspace, and so on.

Hell, even the mention of Egypt is a red herring, because there is only one entry and exit point to Gaza that Israel doesn't directly control.

Your posts are an attempt to exculpate Israel from the sovereignty it's exercised over Gaza for going on sixty years.

 

The new tactic for IDF is to flood the tunnels. That will probably work best to avoid civilian loss since, apparently, Hamas claimed or admitted that the tunnels were not for civilians.

1732157326902046895 is not a valid tweet id

 

…as long as it doesn’t include the West Bank and East Jerusalem?

Honest question, what percentage of Israelis support the settlement expansion policy? If the answer is “ not many”, then how did the current government under Bibi come to be?

If we are going to dissect Hamas support amongst the people of Gaza, then we also need to take a closer look at this.