Hamas Attacks, Israel Responds

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  1. usscouse

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    He had to be if he didn’t like Irgun. :rolleyes:
     
  2. stanger

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    The US could win any war by simply bulldozing everything. The Vietnamese also hid in the civilian population causing higher numbers of civilian casualties.
     
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  3. Belgian guy

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    Between the extremes of carpet bombing everything into oblivion (which I guess is what you mean by bulldozing everything) and being extra careful in avoiding civilian casualties you could fit an entire canyon.
     
  4. Quakes05

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    I imagine there's no way for IDF to find hamas fighters anymore. if a kid in gaza so much as shoots a slingshot, lobs a rock or spits in the general direction of IDF, that's all they need to unload a barrage of artillery/tank fire in their general direction, taking out granny, grandad and a few generations of Palestinians. hamas at this point is so blended into the non-combatant population that I expect it's almost impossible for the IDF to tell hamas from any other teen boy. so, how will hamas be eradicated without killing most everyone in Gaza, hard to conceive.

    I doubt if anyone in Israel really believes that wiping out hamas is even possible. Dislodging them as a governing body, sure, that's already been accomplished for all intents and purposes, but ridding Gaza of their presence? I don't think so.
     
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  5. charlie15

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    Dude, I am a bit confused by your reasoning here. Yes, you want Israel to defeat Hamas as I do, however is there a ceiling for you as far as "collateral damages"? If they kill 300K Palestinians to eliminate Hamas (doubtful endeavor in itself), would that are ok with you or the number too high (or too low)?
     
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  6. charlie15

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    You know the US committed massive war crimes in Vietnam (and Cambodia and Laos for that matter) right? As a matter of fact, that was all in the new this week with the passing of Kissinger.
     
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  7. superdave

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    Correct.

    It is precisely as absurd as expecting the enemy of a terrorist organization to fight the same way that they would fight against a regular army.

    When people note one part of that equation and not the other, they reveal their preferences.
     
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  8. The Jitty Slitter

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    If only the US had been able to kill more civilians
     
  9. superdave

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    Yes, he’s sure. Einstein was a Jew who fled Nazi Germany, and not an anti Semite.
     
  10. stanger

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    I am in no position to have an opinion on that.

    If it was my child that was brutally murdered and thrown into the back of a pickup, had her corpse abused and later had to identify her skull with dental records, I wouldn’t care how many of my enemies died.

    It’s easy for us to sit in judgement because we are so disconnected from the actual events.
     
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  11. superdave

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    I’m very, very confident that many, many of those civilian deaths were caused by the NVA, the VC, or the SVA.
     
  12. The Jitty Slitter

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    That's true of the VC in the south in the early years but not true of the NVA
     
  13. The Jitty Slitter

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    This is what I am struggling with.

    Our various nations are asked to support this carnage, yet there is no articulated strategy or realistic objectives - unless the point is simply a vast ethnic clearing which I guess is the truth
     
  14. charlie15

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    I have a different opinion. I would like to see the perpetrators brought to justice or killed not sure I would be comfortable with the slaughter of children as it is bing done right now but that it just me.
    Based on your reasoning though, how would it feel, if you were a Palestinian to see your kids killed in front or your eyes when you do not have anything to do with the Oct 7 massacre? Those kids lives do not count or have lesser value?
     
  15. charlie15

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    #7015 charlie15, Dec 2, 2023
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    Very few here will use the ethnic cleansing words, while it is clearly an objective of this far right ethno-nationalist government in Israel, run by an avowed criminal scumbag.
    There is a subtle and pernicious sentiment from some on this board to dehumanize Palestinians lives and that is truly reprehensible.
     
  16. Belgian guy

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    How are Palestinian kids among those enemies?

    This is a strange reasoning in general, if the context is determining what is and is not permitted as acceptable in war.
    Apply it for instance to post-war Nazi Germany.
     
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  17. charlie15

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    Very good analysis of the inner workings of the Israeli cabinet and Bibi's machinations.

    Haaretz | Israel News
    Analysis |
    Netanyahu Goes Back to Basics, but His New Slogan Has Already Passed Its Sell-by Date

    Israel's prime minister, who aided and abetted Hamas for years, has a new message: Only he can prevent a Palestinian state ■ To keep his coalition afloat, Netanyahu ingratiates himself to his far-right and religious ministers ■ Gantz suffers his worst day politically during the war

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...-by-date/0000018c-21db-d9ef-abcd-3ffb69860000
     
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  18. Quakes05

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    I'd read it if I could get a non-paywalled version/link.
     
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  19. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Your flip attitude about civilian deaths really chafes my undercarriage, psychopath.
     
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  20. charlie15

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    I do not think it is pay walled...check it out and let me know.
     
  21. Quakes05

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    says you can keep reading for free if you enter your email address, but my inbox is pretty cluttered already these days.
     
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  22. Dr. Wankler

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    Archive will open Haaretz. But it dorsn't work for me on this device, so I'll need someone else to get it, too.
     
  23. The Jitty Slitter

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    Also - the fact that the international community are more distant observers is precisely why we should push for cooler heads to prevail. A number of US observers made this analogy with 911.
     
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  24. The Jitty Slitter

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    SVA = ARVN

    And sure - but OP seemed to be arguing more violence would have worked which is not supported by the history IMO
     
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  25. The Jitty Slitter

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    Looks like it was archived previously

    https://archive.is/tYtGr
     
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