Hamas Attacks, Israel Responds

I have said push for it. And I've said the only way to do so is with love not weapons of destruction but nobody wants to hear that argument.

 

So what is your point exactly?

 

There were already reports of almost everything north of Wadi Gaza being effectively uninhabitable a couple of weeks ago. I can't imagine it has improved since then.

 

So, hang on... he killed another Palestinian civilian who just happened to be there? Or was it a third attacker, albeit unarmed.

 

Hamas isn't an organisation so much as an idea and, with every added dead civilian, (sons, daughters, mother, fathers, etc.), they're creating new ones.

 

Didn't you just say a lot of them had filmed themselves? There are also the hostages taken that were witnesses, together with other security footage from the attack.

It's not like there's a lack of evidence, is it.

 

That's obviously what they're trying to achieve.

Do some light genocide to force people into the desert, assuming the Egyptians will let them into the desert.

 

It sounded more to me like a blanket excuse for any number of civilian casualties.

 

As I have said before, I have no answers.

 

There is clearly a lot of evidence available so I'm not sure what you're saying, tbh.

The alternative to trying to identify the perpetrators is to randomly kill everyone in Gaza until all the 2.3m people are dead on the basis that, 'We got them now for sure' Are you saying THAT'S a more sensible approach?

 

A lot of this comes back to the point that the Israelis have abandoned ANY sort of moral or ethical norms in the conflict with the Palestinians and have simply resorted to brutality, collective punishment and, (more recently), mass slaughter as a response.

In northern Ireland we maintained large numbers of troops, (roughly 30k for about 1.5m civilians), in an attempt to try and maintain some level of control in the province. The equivalent for Gaza would be around 45k.

Regardless of whether a different approach would have been more appropriate in NI, (as it later proved, of course), that did at least recognise some sort of responsibility for the area under our control. If you want to exercise control over an area you can't simply avoid ALL responsibility for it and then respond with ferocity and mass slaughter when somebody in the area does something you don't like.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza

The United Nations, international human rights organizations and many legal scholars regard the Gaza Strip to still be under military occupation by Israel.[4] This is disputed by Israel and other legal scholars.[5] Following the withdrawal, Israel continued to maintain direct control over Gaza's air and maritime space, six of Gaza's seven land crossings, maintains a no-go buffer zone within the territory, controls the Palestinian population registry, and Gaza remains dependent on Israel for its water, electricity, telecommunications, and other utilities.[4][6]​

Now, apparently, we're being told that they have no way of identifying ANY of the people involved in the 7th Oct attack and, despite having massively greater military superiority, they have no alternative to airstrikes, bombing and shelling, pretty much the entire area and the civilians taking shelter there.

 

If what they were doing was as part of an attempt to get the people involved then people would understand what's been going on but that is obviously NOT what's going on.

 

People.would most definitely NOT understand. They're not sending troops searching block by block and responding to pockets of force. They're shelling and bombing nearly at random, and if they happen to kill a few hundred civilians, they don't even offer up a fake "oops".

 

Israeli warplanes are dropping leaflets on civilians in Bani Suhaila and Qarara to evacuate.

This is South of Gaza. pic.twitter.com/gj2LsaAFHD

— Hind Khoudary (@Hind_Gaza) December 1, 2023

 

I'm confused by the question?

I have repeatedly said that the only way you just add terrorist organization that is also the people who run Gaza is with love. The US and Israel lead the prop up the PLO. Do a ton of positives in the West Bank to show people that the actions by Hamas are bad. Push good things that are positives and keep moving in that direction so you can force a situation where Hamas has to either allow for elections, push back from their mission statement or something like that because you will then give people something to Believe in and therefore a life of terrorism will be less appealing. And you might be able to convince more people to speak out. This isn't new stuff. It is the most basic part of defeating a guerilla army. And yet despite numerous lessons in history, Israel is still choosing bombing and killing into submission.

 

I very much doubt any of the attacks by the Israeli army are random.

 

I am not some hippy. As stated, how have people defeated guerilla Armies time after time, they get the people to turn on them. You don't get the people to turn on them with indiscriminate killing. You do it by winning hearts and minds. Give their would be recruits something else to want. We've all heard the saying that if you want to stop crime, then lock up on all young men between 18 and 35. Now 35 is high but you know the main point is kids becoming teenagers are easy recruits for gangs and in this situation Hamas that they are easy recruits for terrorist organizations unless they're provided with other options and a bit of Hope. If I fully believe that life sucks and Israel only wants to see me suffer and die what is the stop me from listening to recruiting of Hamas.

Honestly, as someone was real military experience which I don't have. I've only just read and studied it, I'm surprised that you're a so blinded by your emotion to view things as there must be punishment and retribution and pay back and all these things that will do nothing but continue the cycle.

 

How in the world is that evidence useful on a battlefield? Oh my.