Hamas Attacks, Israel Responds II

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  1. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
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    Chelsea
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    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    I know there are now quite a few things that make each of us angry, but here is one more of mine that makes me livid.

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    The Bronx "Anti-War" Coalition just called Elias Rodriguez’s execution of two innocent people in D.C. the “highest expression of anti-Zionism.”
     
  2. Germerica

    Germerica Member+

    May 2, 2012
    SoCal burbs
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    Of course it was a Blue Skyer who shot some Jews dead.
     
  3. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
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    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
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    Sick.
     
  4. teammellieIRANfan

    Feb 28, 2009
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    Not at all, my post was not specifically directed at you. I meant in a general way.
     
  5. Germerica

    Germerica Member+

    May 2, 2012
    SoCal burbs
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  6. Umar

    Umar Member+

    Sep 13, 2005
    One step ahead
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    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Palestine
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  7. RafaLarios

    RafaLarios Member+

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  8. Betrayed@Krondor

    Jul 11, 2023
  9. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The international community should be sanctioning Israel.

    Here's former Israeli-PM Ehud Olmert (who opposed Oslo and is pro-settlement), stating what's been obvious for a year:

    https://t.co/XOPpB4AeFw


    Key quotes:

    "What we are doing in Gaza is a war of extermination: indiscriminate, unrestrained, brutal, and criminal killing of civilians."

    "We are doing this not because of an accidental loss of control ..., but as a result of a policy dictated by the government"
     
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  10. Betrayed@Krondor

    Jul 11, 2023
    Literally what I said, but sure.
     
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  11. TyffaneeSue

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    Earthquakes and Bay FC
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    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
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    Maybe it's time to release the hostages and end the war, lest Hamas continue to sacrifice the people it supposedly governs?
     
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  12. Betrayed@Krondor

    Jul 11, 2023
    Freeing the hostages is literally at the bottom of our military objectives now, we've openly stated we endorse Trump's plans for Gaza (i.e. full-blown ethnic cleansing, as if that weren't clear), and have only now narrowly paused starving every single person in the Strip after a 70+ day siege.

    But sure, let's continue to pretend it is Hamas who are the primary culprits here. (Even as more and more current and former politicians make it seem Hamas is positively tangential to our current actions. Not that this one in particular ever truly mattered much.)
     
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  13. Umar

    Umar Member+

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    israel holds 5.3 million hostages who it should free, now. Let them have their land back, let them live free lives. It could end the war now by withdrawing from Palestinian Territories that it puts under a brutal
    military occupation, it would have immediate peace treaties with the Palestinians, Saudi Arabia, the gulf states etc.

    But sure, let’s pretend Hamas holding on to 20 or so israeli soldiers is the key to ending this conflict.
     
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  14. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
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    Daly City
    Yes, because Israel was experiencing so much peace before 1967 (if we want to start or stop there) and because all their neighbors recognized Israel. Sure, that happened.

    And while 20 or so hostages (living ones at least, as Hamas refuses to release the dead ones as well) might not be the ultimate reason Bibi is continuing this war, the first thing that would need to happen is for Hamas to give up and acknowledge some sort of demilitarization. 70% plus of Israelis right now prefer hostage deal and ending the conflict. However, almost everyone agrees that they cannot live next to a territory run by Hamas as they currently govern Gaza.

    I don't know what will bring peace, but it won't be that.
     
  15. celito

    celito Moderator
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    From the looks of what happened to the cease fire that collapsed, it doesn't look like Bibi is interested in negotiating a permanent cease fire in exchange for all hostages to be released. So thinking that releasing the hostages will end the war is incredibly naive.
     
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  16. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
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    Daly City
    Unfortunately, I actually agree with that. I think Bibi is bluffing about the hostages and he is just stalling as he doesn't have any concrete plans for after the war (whatever that looks like).

    It's a horrible situation all around. Hamas will not release all of the hostages. I believe EVER. That's the only leverage they have and without even a sinlge hostage, they got nothing. So I fully believe this hostage situation will drag on for decades.
     
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  17. Chesco United

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    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
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    I did a dive into their website.They seem to be revolutionary leftists. I was unsuccessful in seeing whether they had a starting 5 for a basketball team.
     
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  18. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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    You are not a good human being...Truly soulless. I won't say more...
     
  19. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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    Bethesda, Md
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    Bibi's survival is tied to a permanent war, either with Gaza, Iran or even Syria.....In addition to that, the far right fundamentalists ghouls in his cabinet have their own agenda to chase the Palestinians out of Gaza. Here you have a perfect confluence of criminal and expansionist interests.
     
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  20. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016
    Gaza is Treblinka. Gaza is Sobibor. Gaza is Auschwitz. Gaza is Buchenwald. Gaza is Dachau. As many other posters have noted Palestinians (like the Native Americans and the Jewish people) have been forced into living in Gaza as their land was stolen for similar reasons.

    There is no negotiation with a force that has cornered you and holds all the cards in the form of the full backing of the predominant Empire on the planet directed right at you. Palestine has no Air Force. Palestine has no standing army. Palestine has no self-governance. Hamas attempted to reach peace with the US backed Ceasefire that was sabotaged and broken by Israel. Just like the Native Americans who signed treaty after treaty who's terms have not been kept, the Palestinian people have never won anything through negotiation but brief respites from the ultimate goal-->removing them from their land so that Israeli settlers can come in. If this was about the hostages why has Israel been waging war on Syria? Why has Israel been waging war on Lebanon? Why do they threaten war with Iran? If Hamas taking hostages on October 7th justifies what Israel has done by your own logic Hamas was fully justified in its actions on October 7th as Israel has kept millions in captivity in Gaza down to the calories allowed in. Israel had thousands of Palestinians confined in their prison system without due process before October 7th.

    Any moral high ground that Israel attempts to stand on is built on a legacy of Apartheid, stolen land, and the bodies/souls of children and women. This is a Genocide. It's real. It's been happening.
     
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  21. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
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    Daly City
    I stopped reading after this. You, sir, are a ********ing moron. As a moderator, I should refrain from such statements. But alas, I simply can't contain my contempt for posters who say incredibly offensive and asinine statements such as the one you said above. No sane, civil, educated, compassionate, or otherwise a decent human being would say what you just did. In case I didn't make myself abundantly clear, go ******** yourself .
     
  22. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016
    When you meet someone's argument with insults that usually means that you are losing the moral argument. Nice ad hominem. There are many around the world that do agree with me. Plenty are calling this the genocide that it is. No amount of insults you can hurl will change the utter devastation that Israel is inflicting on the Palestinian people. It is sick. It is disgusting.

    Israel has been denying humanitarian shipments from coming in and babies are starving because their malnourished mothers can't feed them. You stand on the side of barbarism.
     
  23. Umar

    Umar Member+

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    Palestine
    Not only are they stopping all supplies coming in, they are also deliberately bombing vegetable stalls, bakeries, farms, shops and community kitchens. All elements of the food supply chain are being destroyed.

    https://aje.io/hhjoek

    The aim is starvation of the civilian population as a weapon of war - it’s pretty clear to every independent observer.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(25)01018-9/fulltext

    And it’s not just food. Healthcare, medicine, education, housing stock. All are being deliberately targeted. There’s thousands of examples of this.

    What do you call it when you try to destroy the ability of a people to feed, house, heal, educate themselves?
     
  24. babaorum

    babaorum Member+

    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    You can't compare anything to TrebIinka, whose name should not be spoken lightly. And yes, I'm aware Israel commits war crimes, crimes against humanity and perhaps a genocide.
     
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  25. Val1

    Val1 Member+

    Arsenal
    Mar 12, 2004
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    So, what? There's a rank ordering of Nazi concentration camps?

    I don't think I can parse the evil so.
     
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