Hamas Attacks, Israel Responds II

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  1. Robert Borden

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    Took them long enough - The Guardian's editorial

    The Guardian view on Israel and Gaza: Trump can stop this horror. The alternative is unthinkable
    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...op-this-horror-the-alternative-is-unthinkable


    Now it plans a Gaza without Palestinians. What is this, if not genocidal? When will the US and its allies act to stop the horror, if not now?

    Mr Trump’s indifference to Palestinian lives and interest in relocating them to turn Gaza into the “Riviera of the Middle East” have emboldened the Israeli government’s worst instincts. But he could still use the power only he holds to stop the annihilation. This is his chance to make history in the Middle East for the right reasons.
     
  2. Germerica

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    It's being reported that Edan Alexander, believed to be last living American hostage of Hamas, has been freed after more than 580 days in captivity.

    If this is indeed true, this is incredible. Well done to Trump, Rubio, and all the officials involved.
     
  3. Umar

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    Yes, they’ve apparently handed over the israeli-American soldier to the Red Cross. Unlikely to have happened without Trump.
     
  4. yasik19

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    I'm not quite sure why are they making them fly to Qatar.
     
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  5. Robert Borden

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    South African moment in effect, just like before there comes a point where the "mess" is too big to cover and allies can no longer be associated with barbarism
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  6. Germerica

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    So the US circumvented Israel on the Alexander release, but we're still of the mind that Netanyahu is the tail wagging the dog?
     
  7. yasik19

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    Confirmed he's with IDF in Gaza now, so hopefully he will be reunited with his family very soon.
     
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  8. The Irish Rover

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    #7233 The Irish Rover, May 12, 2025
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    All ballistic missiles are hypersonic at some stage.

    The question is whether they're hypersonic in their terminal phase or even in flight. Russia's much-hyped Zircon very evidently isn't - several have been shot down by Patriots - so we can be sure Iran's missiles aren't either.
     
  9. Robert Borden

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    While ballistic missiles technically reach hypersonic speeds, they do not maintain controlled hypersonic flight within the atmosphere like modern hypersonic weapons do.

    However, interception rates remain low, and hypersonic weapons still pose a significant challenge to air defense systems making fleets vulnerable - Houthis? Iran could do way more damage if attacked
     
  10. The Irish Rover

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    The lead in asserting and defending the right to freedom of navigation - the term is "innocent passage" - for commercial vessels in international waters and the various straits.

    The ability to field a navy capable of doing that for everyone's ships is what makes a country a great power. The UK could before 1945, which is why it was a great power up to then, and why it ceased to be one so quickly afterwards. The USSR never could, which is why it wasn't quite a great power and why it spent so much money on a navy a land-based power like it didn't heed.

    And it doesn't say a great deal about the the reputation of the US military's fighting capacities, only the willingness of the US political class to use it, in which regard Trump is even more weak-willed than Biden
     
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  11. The Irish Rover

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    #7236 The Irish Rover, May 12, 2025
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    If interception rates "remain low" in Ukraine, that's partly because they aren't terribly accurate and Russian targeting is poor, but mostly because they haven't used that many of them. "Why use an expensive missile to shoot down something that's going to hit nothing much?" is part of it but their relative lack of use is more important: it suggests that these very expensive missiles are underperforming or that accessing components is proving difficult and they don't want to run down stocks, possibly both.

    And this obsession with "wunderwaffe" is a serious waste of time. Individual weapons make precious little difference. Wars are won by productive capacity. Russia has rather little, Iran has less and the Houthis have none, .
     
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  12. Robert Borden

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    lol ok.
     
  13. The Irish Rover

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    Please explain
     
  14. Umar

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    Wars are first and foremost won by resolve.

    The Afghans had precious little productive capacity but defeated three different superpowers in three different eras.

    Ukrainian resolve seems high but so does that of Russia.
     
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  15. Germerica

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    #7240 Germerica, May 12, 2025
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    My heart is full.

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  16. Germerica

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    This warms the soul.

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  17. To put a face on just mere facts
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    Six months old, malnourished and born in ruins: baby Siwar is the face of hunger in Gaza
    A much too thin baby on a hospital bed, with hollow eyes and sunken cheeks. Her name is Siwar Ashour, six months old and the poignant symbol of the famine in Gaza: "As if she will never know peace."
    The British broadcaster BBC shows the images of the baby in a report on the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.
    The accompanying story leaves no one unmoved. Siwar was born on November 20, 2024, weighing 2.5 kilos. Since then, things have only gotten worse
    .

    This last sentence simply is a bloody lie.
    This is an image a civilized society shouldnot tolerate.
    Yet here we are, we watched, observed, tolerate, support, actively make it possible to be done and hide behind slogans and political shitchat.
     
  18. teammellieIRANfan

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    Im not sure its a South Africa moment. But one thing this genocide has taught us is that mainstream media has by and large toed the line of the political objectives or visions of the governments. Which explains the silence during the horrors that unfolded in Gaza in the span of the last 19-20 months.

    There does appear to be a shift in policy visavi Israel and the broader Middle East. Going by US negotiations with Iran, end of US war against Yemen and now this US-Hamas mediated release of an American-Israeli hostage, all of which bypassed Netanyahu and Israel.
    Couple that with the change in tone in media, it could be indicative of a policy shift, but its too early to tell.
     
  19. stanger

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    If you think there is going to be some kind of coherent policy during the Trump administration you will be disappointed.
     
  20. Chesco United

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    Ever heard of Lizzie van Zyl?
     
  21. kribi

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    Gideon Levy, Haaretz
     
  22. mebeSajid

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    It’s perfectly coherent and boils down to one question: is something good for Trump *right now* ?
     
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