Hamas Attacks, Israel Responds II

What did/does Hamas gain from Isreal's isolation?

 

Hamas' leadership gains funding from the Petro States for the proxy way it conducts on their behalf

Palestinians gain nothing

 

Hamas’ stated goal is the eradication of Israel. Isolation on the world stage is a helpful step toward that goal.

 

Even at the cost of their own eradication? Doesn't seem logical.

 

I haven't seen one real report explaining Isreal's economy being affected at all by this war.

Similarly when it comes to politically, you have a bunch of condemnation that amounts to nothing as no signicant sanctions are placed.

 

Assuming they’re actually being eradicated. It obviously hasn’t happened yet.

But I’m just guessing based on the publicly available information. What do you think Hamas’ goal is in continuing to fight and hold hostages (assuming they’re still alive)?

 

Probably to be used as part of a favorable deal that benefits them somehow.

They thought getting hostages gives them a better bargaining chip. They were very wrong.

 

First, you should research cases where the US refused to honor extradition requests - I guess you'll do more mental gymnastics to explain how this is in accordance to the rule of law...don't bother - exceptionalism, right?

The Liberal government goal was to reverse what their Conservatives predecessors did by deteriorating the relationship with Chine and pursue "diversification" for its exports to lower their dependence on the US. The Liberals were already allowing Canadian Telecoms to acquire 5G techs while resisting the US calls to ban Huawei.

Then came the arrest of Huawei's CFO in 2018 which caused a significant deterioration in Canada-China relations.China responded

• by arresting two Canadian citizens on charges of espionage
• impoing restrictions on Canadian exports causing financial impacts on Canadian farmers and businesses.

Interestingly enough, U.S. businesses and agricultural sectors saw some gains from the Canada-China tension which prompted the U.S. to make adjustments to its import strategies leading to an increase of U.S. exports to China

You wouldn't know that but Meng's arrest case did caused debate in Canada about balancing economic relations with China against alliance obligations with the United States. This isn't a conspiracy when media and politicians discuss and debate this very topic.

Then came 2021, where Meng reached a prosecution agreement with U.S. authorities where she did not admit guilt but acknowledged some aspects of the government's allegations. The deal allowed her to return to China after nearly three years of house arrest in Canada. All this for over 3 years for that...

The relationship had deteriorated to the point where this lead to Canada's 2022 decision to ban Huawei and ZTE from its 5G network infrastructure and ended their diversification strategy to be less reliant on the US.

This was cute 2 years when we didn't know what would happen - in hindsight, Europe tanked their economies by severing their access to cheap energy that made them competitive and folding100% back with the US ending any movements or initiatives of a German-French led "independent" Europe acting as its own pole of influence outside the US. In the end, they are importing Russian energy anyways through India who became Russia's #1 importer at a premium - since US energy is even more expensive lol. Now that they aren't competitive and the US even passed the Inflation Reduction Act that contributed to de-industrialize Europe, something Euro leaders openly pointing out that the US was profiting from all of this.

Not that I care about Europe, they get no sympathy for me and they were dumb enough to throw themselves under the bus. If anything, I'm cheering this genius move "well played Merica!"

Stop drinking your own cool-aid

The US support around 74% of the world’s dictatorships with military aid, financial assistance, or weapons. As of 2020, of the 57 countries classified as undemocratic, 42 received various forms of support from the U.S. Support ranges from arms sales to military training, often to further geopolitical interests rather than directly promoting democracy.

A relationship with a disproportionately one-sided balance of power is often described as an asymmetric relationship. In geopolitics, it's called a hegemonic or patron-client relationship, where a stronger state (patron) extends influence or support to a weaker one (client) that, in turn, aligns its interests with those of the patron.

My bad for using the term "vassal" - I should have said "client-state" - satisfied?

 

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I guess X number of virgins balances the scale, but when you've been conditioned to hate another group to the point of their eradication, self-preservation isn't necessary

 

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Down the years, Israel's greatest advantage was its leadership.

Not any more. Netanyahu makes Arafat look strategic.

 

Bibi is very happy today.

 

De Gaulle and Chirac were both right.
All this had detrimental effects on the short term that proved beneficial on the long term.

 

Let him enjoy it - while he can.

Trump has promised to betray every American ally, except Israel. The idea of him going "no, Israel, you're different and special. I've got your back and I'll take hits for you" is for the birds.

Trump's one and only constant is that life is a struggle for dominance and that partnership is for suckers: if I'm not screwing you, you're screwing me.

Israel is strong and powerful and dominant and for him any cruelty involved is an outright bonus, so he likes Israel and Bibi but once Israel starts to cost him, he won't hesitate to pull the plug.

 

In what way will Israel cost him?