Yeah my first fear was that this salvo was cover for Hezbollah to launch. But as we've learned, they may be too degraded to do much of anything right now. But then, Iran would have to know this, right?
Imagine if this happened on 10/7 or 10/8? https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-h...se-after-oct-7-we-covertly-raided-1000-sites/
Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps said the attack focused on Israeli security and military targets and was in response to the killing of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah and others. So is Iran officially admitting that Hezbollah is their proxy? Not sure it has been stated openly like this before
Cowardly terrorist attack. Mindless killing of innocent civilians that serves no purpose other than spiraling down an endless cycle of hate and vengeance. I hope it wont initiate retaliatory measures by vigilantes (settlers in the WB), because it could spiral into a third intifada. With all this regional tension, from a distance it feels like its simmering under the pot. I guess Israel has bigger things to worry about now, in light of the attack by Iran, and the invasion of South Lebanon. Anyway. May the poor victims rest in peace.
Can we consolidate this into a single Middle Eastern war thread? Mods? It's impossible to follow both threads.
Another senseless addition to the list of names of killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
IIRC you’re not Iranian but I’m interested in your opinion as to the reaction of the other 56 to Iran if they carry out this threat…given you follow this much more closely than I do? 1841207114666057848 is not a valid tweet id To be fair…I have no idea who this person is or whether this was entirely made up…but I do recall one of IM’s 10,000 word posts, with multiple pictures…stating this would be Iran’s strategy in the event of a US attack. So again…how would these 56 react if Iran’s response to a direct attack on their oil infrastructure would be to immediately attack Muslim countries as yet not involved with this. I am assuming they wouldn’t be all that pleased. Which points back to Iran being part of the problem…rather than part of the solution…to conflict in the area.
So when Israel does something, he's able to spell out the word Israel. When Iran does this, it's too broad. This is reason #12,345 why UN is a useless and seemingly more and more of an antisemitic organization. 1841167889191112704 is not a valid tweet id
Good job, Iran. You killed 1 Palestinian, killed a small number of your own soldiers whilst firing the ballistic missile, had a few missiles land in Jordan, and then managed to destroy an elementary school in Israel. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...a-severely-damaged-by-iranian-missile-impact/
Did Israel do nothing today? In fact, that tweet doesn't even say today... so has Israel done anything in the last few days? Oh and that "escalation after escalation": was that solely about Iran and Hezbollah?
If I have to explain my post about his tweet, then either you're being dishonest, or you're not paying attention to the messages Mr. Antonio has been tweeting, or just feel like arguing for the sake of arguing. To make my point perfectly clear - he has no issues singling out Israel all the time, while almost none of his tweets mention Hamas, Hezbollah, or Iran. Today was AS GOOD A DAY AS ANY to SPECIFICALLY call out Iran, for basically (for the 2nd time this year) declaring a war on Israel. Even if his tweet didn't say TODAY, the events that unfolded happened TODAY and he tweeted TODAY. Hope that clarifies my point.
And yet his prior tweet on Lebanon from 12 hours ago did not spell out Israel by name despite Israel invading and continuing to bomb that country. If Gutuerres is what you are claiming he is, that would have been a perfect opportunity to "name" Israel. And yet he wrote " I am extremely concerned with the escalation of the conflict in Lebanon and appeal for an immediate ceasefire. An all-out war must be avoided in Lebanon at all costs, and the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Lebanon must be respected." Perhaps you could point me at the word "Israel" in that tweet? You know, the word you
So your entire argument hinders upon his one tweet that didn't mention Israel by name? If you have some time to spare, feel free to look at his timeline or tweets and see for yourself. And once again, because either you're being willfully stubborn or perhaps I'm not doing a great job of explaining, but today, the country of Iran launched close to 200 ballistic missiles towards Israel. We can argue till the cows come home whether if and how Iran is directly or Indirectly fighting Israel, but what's abundantly clear is precisely what happened today. There is zero, ZERO reason for him not to call out Iran for their actions. He didn't do it.
I’m not going to do your work for you. You made a claim that is actually false. How many bombs did Israel drop on Lebanon today and where did Guterres call out Israel “by name”?
My claim is 100% accurate and irrefutable. This is all from just last week. Mentions Israel and not Hezbollah. 1840084855998095375 is not a valid tweet id Mentions Israel and not Hezbollah. 1839316503734399164 is not a valid tweet id Mentions Israel and not Hezbollah or Hamas. 1838597723789873367 is not a valid tweet id What was that you said to me above? Oh, right.....I'm not going to do your work for you. Feel free to inform us of how many bombs Israel dropped today on "people" of Lebanon? How convenient of you to take the line of Mr. G and not mention Hezbollah as well. Because you know, it's kind of important to mention who it is really that Israel goes after. Are you now done with your futile line of argument?
Let’s remember what your claim was, namely “So when Israel does something, he's able to spell out the word Israel.” Amusingly the “evidence” you provided shows you were wrong. Two of the references are to “the people of Israel” and coupled with references to “the people of Lebanon”. One of the tweets, contrary to your assertion, says: “I’m also gravely alarmed by the continued strikes by Hizbullah into Israel.” One tweet states “The situation in Gaza is a non-stop nightmare that threatens to take the entire region with it.” with no reference to either Hamas or Israel. One tweet states “Last night I urged the Security Council to work in lock-step to help de-escalate the situation in Israel and Lebanon.” which is a reference to countries not the actions of those countries and can encompass the actions of both (the state of) Israel and Hezbollah. As for Lebanon, Israel’s actions have displaced ~1m people and involved bombing and an invasion of southern Lebanon. Assuredly that is clearly one of the events Gutierres was referring to in today’s tweet as “escalation after escalation”. You know, the tweet that also didn’t mention Israel.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/five-...-named-as-more-details-about-shooting-emerge/ The five victims were named on Wednesday as Revital Bronstein, 24, from Bat Yam; Ilia Nozadze, 42, a Georgian citizen; Shahar Goldman, 30 from Lod; Inbar Segev Vigder, 33, and Nadia Sokolenco, 40. The identities of two further victims were not yet cleared for publication. The sixth victim, Jonas Chrosis, 26, was a Greek citizen who was living in Jerusalem while he studied architecture in Tel Aviv. “He was kind-hearted and sensitive and always helped everyone,” one of his classmates told Channel 12. “He expressed infinite optimism in the face of every difficulty that came his way. He was talented, funny, and humble. He was always kind to the people around him and was a loyal friend who saw the good in everyone. He was a talented piano player.” The terrorists, meanwhile, were named as Mohammad Mesek, 19, who was killed at the scene, and Ahmed Himouni, 25, who was seriously injured. Both men are Palestinians from the West Bank city of Hebron who were in Israel proper without a permit.
Ironically, to our mini debate last night on this topic. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy43j9944lno Speaking to the UN Security Council, António Guterres said it was high time to stop what he called the "deadly cycle of tit-for-tat violence" in the Middle East. In an earlier statement, Israel's Foreign Minister Israel Katz declared Guterres persona non grata and an "anti-Israel secretary-general who lends support to terrorists". The comments were issued in response to Guterres initially calling for a ceasefire, but not specifically mentioning the Iran attack. Addressing the council, the UN secretary general said he had condemned the attack in April, and "as should have been obvious yesterday in the context of the condemnation I expressed, I again strongly condemn yesterday's massive missile attack by Iran on Israel". In a statement after the attack on social media site X, formerly Twitter, Guterres said he condemned "the broadening of the Middle East conflict with escalation after escalation". Prior to Guterres remarks to the UN Security Council, Katz said in a statement that anyone who "cannot unequivocally condemn Iran's heinous attack on Israel does not deserve to step foot on Israeli soil". He specifically criticised Guterres for "his anti-Israel policy since the beginning of the war".
Why bother destroying Iranian refineries when it would just be easier to disable / destroy the shipping terminals in Gulf and the pipeline control terminals? Easier to repair in a post Islamic Republic Iran + same outcome achieved in the short term
They want people to talk about israel rather than the Netanyahu regime, and they want people to talk about Hamas and Hezbollah rather than Gaza/Palestine and Lebanon. Basically they want you to use their preferred nouns and they will have a hissy fit if you don’t.