Hamas Attacks, Israel Responds II

The problem with this narrative is that it presumes Israel isn't doing anything at all - Israel's been bombing Lebanon for months and, in addition to tens of thousands of Israeli civilians evacuating, tens of thousands of Lebanese civilians have also had to evacuate their homes.

In other words, Israel and Hezbollah have been fighting a low grade war for months and this weeks bombings amount to an escalation. This seems more like Netanyahu trying to create a new war to prolong his government.

 

Sending remote detonation commands to several thousand bombs without any way of verifying where they were, who the intended targets were, or whether the intended targets would actually be killed is far from "precise."

 

More precise than cluster munitions, less than a sniper rifle

 

Nothing beats Lebanese humor even at the darkest hour pic.twitter.com/UgsnN7B9vn

— nikolas kosmatopoulos 🇵🇸 (@NikolaCosmi) September 18, 2024

 

Just a hunch. Hungary/dodgy enterprise with unclear ownership/Orban firmly backing bibi's operations.

 

I don't think this dude posting that has dived into the origin of this group. They didnot exist before the 1980 involvement of Israel in the Lebanese civil war.

 

There's a lot of disagreement here, so I think we need a common definition of "precise" because otherwise the whole conversation will keep going in circles. The dictionary definitions I found weren't especially helpful, other than statements that precise meant something along the lines of "being exactly that and no more." From this, I think two concepts matter here for the discussion of this week's: (1) accuracy in targeting and, (2) limitations on the extent of damage.

It isn't possible for a supply chain attack to be accurate in terms of targeting, because that's just not how supply chains and large organizations work.

What you guys are really saying is "the attacks were precise because Hezbollah purchased the bombs and the bombs were small."

 

It is and isn't relevant: Hezbollah exists for reasons that make historical sense. That doesn't make them the good guys (and anyone familiar with the Syrian civil war knows that they aren't).

 

Thanks to western (French mostly) mingling Lebanon became a mosaic of a few factions with each their own agenda. Neither cared for the greater well being of Lebanon, but more with their own power base.
The Shaba and Shatila Massacre, facilitated by bibi, of Palestinian Christians and Lebanese Shia muslims gave rise to this organisation.
Bibi is the founding father of hama and hezbolla, so that dude with that message has alot to learn.

 

Nope - I said what I said. Deal with it

 

In this context, I think people are using "precise" to mean that the collateral damage is significantly lower than what we've seen in urban warfare in the post WWII era. This attack is exactly the opposite of the urban warfare that's been going on in Gaza.

 

Those massacres happened now almost exactly 42 years ago on september 16,17 and 18th.

 

The Falklands War?

 

Bibi is also the founding father of the Goa'uld, Tau Empire and Fire Nation

I love that the entire Middle East is populated by 5 year olds apparently

Poor them it is colonizers fault for everything. At some point you would think the people that lead these places are at fault for what is currently going but nope lets blame pre Big Bang events

 

For the Greater Good.

 

Hezbollah has seized on the opportunity of Israel's was in Gaza (which has been far too heavy handed and turned the whole area into a humanitarian catastrophe) to start agitating for a war in Lebanon, at Iran's direction and with Iranian supplied weapons.

Netanyahu, I expect, is motivated to prolong his government, and Hezbollah is playing right into his hands by giving him all the justification he needs (to bring the fight back to Lebanon) with their constant attacks, and the subsequent displacement of Israelis in the north.

Dropping 2000lb bombs on apartment buildings and launching missiles into schools is imprecise. I wish Israel had used this kind of approach (along with snipers and more targeted attacks in general) against Hamas, rather than leveling the whole area and moving everyone outdoors.

They were precise because they killed lots of Hezbollah fighters with minimal other damage to people and buildings and knocked out Hezbollah communications and probably has them just a little nervous about calling their commander.

And again, just so we're clear, these are terrorists fighting a proxy war on behalf of Iran, who have decided that now is the time to pick a fight with Israel.

 

BBC verify - over 83% of all the attacks conducted between Israel and Lebanon since October 7th have been made by Israel (clip from July)pic.twitter.com/HmBi0KpHxN

— Saul Staniforth (@SaulStaniforth) September 19, 2024

 

^^^^^^
Just reading the tweet, not watching it…aren’t you just complaining that Israel is better at this than Hezbollah?

 

I'm thinking of the exclusion zone that the UK declared around the Falk

If, after the 10/7 massacres, the Israelis had detonated thousands of cell phones used by Hamas fighters and officials, would anyone have found that objectionable? (other than the usual suspects, who don't believe that Israel has any right to defend itself).

 

It would've been seen as a masterstroke then, as it is now, frankly. There's not much that separates Hamas from Hezbollah (or any other Iran proxy), except maybe a flag and a few miles.

 

Are you forgetting that they are not set off unless someone triggers a specific pager with a specific message? That means you have to gather information on the individual and obtain their pager number.