Hamas Attacks, Israel Responds II

Maybe the ones that have been the quietest since Hamas executed the hostages a few days ago?

 

Maybe your statement was false. Nobody here has made excuses for hamas.

 

Umar has been borderline.

 

Maybe you are wrong.

 

I'm not so sure. Hamas has been able to draw Israel into a massive escalation of this age-old conflict which has left Gaza in ruins, the entire population decimated, displaced and starving. Tens of thousands killed, the whole region left in ruins...the misery incalculable.

Israelis are taking to the streets (in Tel Aviv and elsewhere) in record numbers to protest their governments policies in Gaza...

...for there to be any hope for peace in the region, there has to be a regime change in Israel. And hamas must be systematically degraded and/or destroyed (the former seems more likely given that hamas is a pervasive ideology that exists in both Gaza and WB and across the region).

But I haven't heard any overt support for hamas here, none.

 

name one.

 

It doesn't have to be overt.

 

I literally just did. Not gonna go looking for posts, but he’s been at the very least Hamas-sympathetic.

 

So it's up to your phantasies to make claims about posters.

 

I lurk in here a lot. When there is something to point to where Israel is to blame, multiple posts, regardless of factual reporting or any verified information.

Then Hamas does something verifiable, like executing hostages before they can be rescued, and it's crickets.

Like I said, it doesn't have to be overt. It usually isn't. But that doesn't mean it isn't there.

 

People are furious with respect to Israel's assault on an entire population and what looks like ethnic cleansing being perpetrated by the IDF...

...but I've not encountered a single pro hamas sentiment here.

 

Admit you've got nothing but inuendo, so basically you're a liar.

 

That doesn’t necessarily imply that they support Hamas, it could just be that they hold Israel to a higher standard as a sovereign nation as opposed to a terrorist organization. But it does seem a little unfair that Israel is implicitly assumed to be the only party with agency in this matter.

 

or maybe they object to the wholesale slaughter of a helpless population by the Israeli war machine, and they are sickened and outraged by their own country's complicity in this cowardly assault. look, hamas has to go...there's almost universal agreement there. But Israel has taken this opportunity to lay waste TO THE ENTIRE REGION.

And this is just the latest round of hostilities in a conflict where Palestinians pay far, far more dearly...EVERY SINGLE TIME.

In this case though, Israel has utterly demolished the whole, entire region and it's sickening, and brutal...AND CRIMINAL.

 

This is posted a lot and while I agree with you 100%, how it could be achieved is never part of the discussion.

And referring to 10/7 as "an opportunity" is pretty cold.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...nda-video-israel-hostages-killed/75053163007/

 

well, it's not being achieved by turning all of gaza into a vast wasteland. Sinwar is now running hamas, hamas is active in the WB, there's probably still plenty of hamas in gaza and my guess, a much more radicalized Palestinian population overall.

And Bibi uses all this stuff as an opportunity to advance his war of annihilation against his neighbors. After the six hostages were brutally killed (which was completely sickening and inexcusable btw, although I partially blame Bibi for this as well, for not doing enough to get them home safely), Bibi made some double-down comment suggesting he didn't see peace as possible with these monsters, or words to that effect.

The sooner the world is rid of Bibi and his gang of criminals, the better.

 

Israelis are going to have to ask themselves if all this hawkishness is improving their standing in the world and making them safer, ultimately. I think these hawks are leading them all over a cliff.

 

Not only that, but as collateral damage it makes the world very unsafe for non-Israeli Jews....You know, the ones who didnot vote for governments annihilating Gaza.

 

On the one hand, any nation that's been under attack for generations is bound to vote for whomever promises them security. On the other, it's obvious to almost every single person on earth except for Israeli voters that selecting bellicose ethnofascists for government isn't ever going to end well. Nor should it.

But Israel keeps slamming the car door on their testicles and will continue to do so. When Netanyahu was urging people to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin, it was unthinkable that he would someday be PM. Now it's just a matter of time before Ben-Gvir is.

 

At least we agree on that one