Hamas Attacks, Israel Responds II

Hamas could surrender, I know, I know, that is not going to happen.

Or the blockade is to stop Hamas from getting rockets.

But it has not worked obviously.

 

Fatah and Hamas have already set out their conditions for a peace treaty with israel and their position aligns with international law. The Palestinian position was set out pretty much in the late 1980s with their declaration of independence.

East Jerusalem is a massive part of that, so if you include East Jerusalem as part of the West Bank, then yes, the Palestinians have pretty much renounced their claims to the areas occupied by israel before 1967.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_43/177

 

Don’t patronise me, thanks.

 

An then what? Israel magically stops running an apartheid state and maybe in a few decades down the road the west will grow a conscience like they did for South Africa and stop supporting Israel - dare I say sanction them? Kind of naive, don't you think?

 

Israel left Gaza in 2005 and what did they get in returns? More rockets, more suicide attacks

 

What'd you expect, they'd just keep calm and carry on with their lives in an open air prison and just "accept" the land they lost to illegal settlements in the West Bank? Even after Israel withdrew, they did not resolve the underlying issues that drive the conflict.

1-The core issues like the status of Jerusalem, the right of return for Palestinian refugees, the borders, and the existence of Israeli settlements in the West Bank. This had continued to fuel tensions.

2-The continued military control since they maintained control over its borders, airspace, and maritime access, which has been perceived by many Palestinians as an ongoing occupation.

3-In the West Bank, Israeli settlements and military presence continued to expand fuelling tension the situation.

This adds another dimension to dehumanizing the Palestinians - why aren't those "lesser" beings just be content with the crap leftovers I'm throwing at them when I know full well that I (Israel) and my pals (the West) would NEVER put up with it in reverse?

 

Feel free to have a look at the chronology of events.

 

https://aje.io/u5ps4s

see also https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna24235665

Hamas leaders such as Sheikh Ahmad Yassin, Khaled Mashaal and Ismail Haniyeh have all explicitly offered long term peace in return for israeli withdrawal to the pre1967 borders. The term they have used is a Hudna, that second article explains the difference between the English “truce” or “ceasefire” and the Arabic “Hudna”.

israel has rejected each time.

 

By design

 

They don’t want to concede that 1948 (and the pre1948 Zionist movement envisioned by Herzl) was acceptable. But they accept a de facto state of israel in its pre 1967 borders. That should be enough for the israelis, if they are interested in actual peace.

Have Hamas explicitly offered long term peace multiple times or not? Are the terms they offered in line with international law, or not? Do you believe in international law, or not?

 

Nearly a hundred people killed in a bombing on a school and mosque which the israelis bombed during morning prayers.
https://apple.news/ABJvw5ii-RJ2NDJBWb8mOhg

 

More info:

NEW: @cnn confirms a US-made GBU-39 small diameter bomb was used in an Israeli strike on a school and mosque compound in Gaza which killed at least 93 Palestinians according to local officials

(h/t) to @easybakeovensz for helping identify the weapon pic.twitter.com/LLtsjiuFC5

— Allegra Goodwin (@goodwinallegra) August 10, 2024

 

Israeli strike in Gaza kills more than 70, hospital head says https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8erk37yn2no

 

we can hear the screams of families trapped in the school being burned alive in Gaza city , but are unable to help due to Israeli occupation forces cutting water access .

— حسام شبات (@HossamShabat) August 10, 2024

 

The last few posts are exactly why Hamas hides in places where IDF will get bad publicity if they are attacked.

 

They killed a large number of people when bombing a mosque and school full of refugees whilst people were praying. Nobody else made them look evil. They did it themselves.

 

You believe one version without doing any verification. I don’t.

Good grief is right.