Hamas Attacks, Israel Responds II

And I agree with you.

 

The military detained the rapists and the minister for prisons led a mob to break into the base to try and stop any arrests. Police cleared the rioters but no rioters were arrested and Ben Gvir is still a minister.

israel is a failed state.

 

You can certainly compare the tonnage of munitions dumped on israel vs tonnage dumped by israel and you will find that israel fares worse in that comparison too.

israel dropped 25,000 tonnes of high grade explosives into Gaza in one month from October to November alone. That excludes mortar and artillery, just bombs.

https://aje.io/rgx8bj

The most modern Qassam rocket has around 40-50kgs of low grade explosive, the others have less. Unless you are telling me that Hamas has fired 500,000 of its best rockets into israel every month, I think your comparison makes israel look worse.

 

Reported impact snapshot | Gaza Strip (7 August 2024) | United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs - occupied Palestinian territory (ochaopt.org)

90% of Gazans bombed out and internally displaced (living in makeshift tents)

495K Gazans facing catastrophic levels of food insecurity

another 745K facing emergency levels of food insecurity

39,677 Palestinians killed in Gaza since this round of hostilities began and another 91, 645 injured

Access to healthcare, education & drinking water, all severely limited or non-existent, most of the buildings are in ruins, roads destroyed...

...it's pretty sick and twisted to even try to compare the atrocities committed by Hamas with those committed by Israel, against the entire 2.1 million people living in utterly devastated Gaza.

 

Its because the state of Israel is metamorphosing into the state of Judea. A more radical, theocratic and messianic version of a Jewish state.
I believe this to be one of the reasons, in addition to the horrible war, for over half a million Israelis flight out of the country.

 

What idiotic website is that?

They simply count jets and go bigger number is better

Found it: https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.php?country1=israel&country2=pakistan

Israel is a top 10 airforce in the world.

Yes 135 MIG21 sure beats having 35 F35s. I am not going into other stuff.

 

The whole situation is sick without differentiation.

Is this what Hamas expected when they attacked the civilian population?

 

I just laid out the differentiation for you, its staggering.

And if you think this conflict started on 10/7, I don't know what to tell you.

 

The Iron Dome helps.

Hamas would be able to kill many more civilians and children if Israel was too poor to afford shooting down their missiles.

So Hamas gets a pass for their failed attempts at killing children, while the Israel military has better capabilities to kill Palestinian children and Hamas does not care about protecting them anyways, the more dead children, the more support college students give Hamas.

 

139 B.C. is a long time ago for sure.

 

The problem for me is that Israel could have had moral superiority on this issue. Hamas was awful and Israel was fully justified in responding. But they have squandered the moral high ground, which is awful in itself. Which only makes stitching together some kind of peace for the future just that much harder.

 

There’s a very good reason this thread starts with that specific event, it was a massive escalation of a long-simmering conflict.

 

Long-simmering indeed. Palestinians have been living under horrible oppression and hopelessness for as long as I can remember.

 

I don't think they could have had an adequate response and still have the moral high ground. Those things don't go together. How could they?

And I don't know if either side really wants peace.

 

I don't need you to tell me anything.

 

They do not - not a peace anyway that doesn't involve the total elimination of the other group

 

Even worst than Apartheid South Africa, funny enough even Mandela was branded a "terrorist" at one point.

 

Looks like Syria might take this opportunity to take back their country as they have recaptured some of their oilfields. There should be expectations that they will also be armed with more advanced weaponry just like Iran and Yemen

Pro-government fighters attack areas of US-backed fighters in east Syria. 2 killed
https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...ers-attack-areas-us-backed-fighters-112633981

 

Oh damn, how many people did he suicide bomb?

 

This might be the dumbest thing anyone has said in this thread, and that’s saying something.

 

In terms of a single event that's clearly true. But there are other events that over time become more of an escalation. For example, the continued illegal occupation of the West Bank, the annexation of parts of it and the oppression of Palestinians there..

 

Yes, curtailing the West Bank settlements is one very simple thing Israel could be doing that would help their public image while also just being the right thing to do.

 

In 1961, Mandela co-founded Umkhonto we Sizwe ("Spear of the Nation"), the armed wing of the ANC, which carried out acts of sabotage and guerrilla warfare targeting government installations and infrastructure. These efforts were part of a larger strategy to weaken the apartheid regime.

During the Cold War, many Western countries, driven by their alliances and political interests, branded Mandela and the ANC as terrorists. This perception was further influenced by the ANC's connections with socialist and communist nations. The South African government depicted Mandela and other anti-apartheid activists as terrorists to justify their severe actions against them and to secure support from Western allies combating communism.

It wasn't until later, especially after Mandela's release from prison in 1990 and the eventual dismantling of apartheid, that the global perception shifted. Mandela then became widely recognized as a freedom fighter and a pivotal figure in the struggle for human rights and equality.

Strange isn't it? Seems like we keep branding those we support "freedom fighters" (or shamed into doing so) while branding those we don't support "terrorists"

Strange...