Hamas Attacks, Israel Responds II

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  1. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
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    They assassinated a negotiator in Iran FFS. And that's after Iran showed extraordinary restraint the last time Israel assassinated someone in Iran. The current Israeli government is practically begging for escalation.

    At this point I don't have the slightest issue with Iran raining down bombs upon Israel and the USA doing fück all about it.
     
  2. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
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    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    LOL...a negotiator. And a painter committed suicide in a Berlin bunker in 1945. Now I don't know which incident you're talking about in Iran, but I presume you mean in Damascus, and not in Iran. And if extraordinary restraint is 300+ missiles/drones into Israel, then this conversation is rather pointless.

    Of that I'm not surprised. We know you don't give an ounce of shit about dead Jews. I remember your first post on this topic on October 7th very very well. What I'm surprised about is how I haven't put you on ignore list (one of my many weaknesses). And as I said before, I'm deeply and utterly disgusted and truly ashamed of being part of the same tribe as someone like you.
     
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  3. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    Victoria
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Something like this is bigger than Bibi. Israel will, hopefully, still exist long after Bibi's political career is extinguished.

    Israeli citizens lives are at stake here too.
     
  4. So, how do you call those currently living/murdering in the Westbank?
     
  5. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  6. I do have issues raining bombs indiscriminately on civilians, whether it's the idf or hama doing it.
    Raining down on military targets, be my guest, as long as civilians arenot hit in the process.
     
  7. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
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    Canada
    They have a variety of air defense equipment that could have definately helped. Israel would not have bothered asking them for help if that wasn't the case
     
  8. They didnot detect that Tel Aviv drone.
     
  9. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
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    And they still asked for their help
     
  10. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    Bibi went to Mar a Lago to put his finger on the scale for Unified Reich guy.

    I'd argue it might be better for the citizens in the long run if he finally suffered some severe consequences.
     
  11. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
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    Execrable, similar to what happened in Texas. However, the existence of Israel the state in some manner or form is valid and moral.
     
  12. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

    Houston Dynamo
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    Jul 16, 2017
    Is it ok to quote many here who have said, "They shouldn't have voted for him" then?

    Seriously, though, unlike their Palestinian neighbors, Israeli civilians can put a stop to this if they want. They don't have to let Bibi drag them into who knows how many wars that they can't win alone and I'm not sure how much stomach the US has to help. Sure the powers that be are ready, they always are, but civilians here? No appetite for it.

    Bibi and his regime are going to get Israelis killed for his own selfish ends.
     
  13. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
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    Really a disturbing statement from a high official with the Israeli government. Shows the extend to which they don't see Palestinians as humans

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...azans-to-die-of-hunger-but-world-wont-let-us/

    Smotrich: Might be ‘justified and moral’ to cause 2 million Gazans to die of hunger, but world won’t let us
    Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich implies he believes that blocking humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip is “justified and moral” even if it causes 2 million civilians to die of hunger, adding however that the international community won’t allow this to happen.

    “We are bringing in aid because there is no choice,” Smotrich says at a conference in Yad Binyamin hosted by the Israel Hayom outlet. “We can’t, in the current global reality, manage a war. Nobody will let us cause 2 million civilians to die of hunger even though it might be justified and moral until our hostages are returned. Humanitarian in exchange for humanitarian is morally justified, but what can we do? We live today in a certain reality, we need international legitimacy for this war.”
     
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  14. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
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    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    The can and they will, but it will have to be in the fall. The Knesset is not in session now, so literally nothing can happen (outside of armed revolt). Bibi navigates Israeli politics like a maestro and with the way Israeli government operates, there are only so many things that can be done.
     
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  15. yasik19

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    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    He's a super hard right politician, who unfortunately, has a lot of leverage over Bibi. For what it's worth, he is despicable on many levels.
     
  16. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

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    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
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    This disgust should be extended to the entire government trying to normalize and rationalize a genocide. Nothing these nutjobs are doing are for the good of Israelis. How is it in the interest of their Israelis to have their country's reputation completely annihilated, its economy getting destroyed and now facing war which will most likely lead to another exodus - just so a lunatic keeps his position. I don't buy the excuse of just one guy "having leverage" over Netanyahu, they all think like him
     
  17. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    As is the existence of a Palestinian state. And those "settlers" in the West bank are doing their darndest - with the support of the IDF and the current Israeli government - to prevent there ever being a Palestinian state.
     
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  18. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

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  19. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
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    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    You don't have a very good idea of how Israeli government operates, who is part of that government, and who the members of the Knesset are. If I were you, I'd focus my energy on Trudeau and how his policies have made life a living hell for Jews of Canada. It would go a lot further than your cliche responses and your righteous stance on Israeli politics.
     
  20. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

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    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
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    Oh please overall the Jews are fine in Canada unless you're trying to imply they have it worst than Indigenous peoples in this country - which to that I'd also say you have no clue what you're talking about.

    As for the Israeli government, you might have some with a conscience - I'll concede that but the examples brought forward at the ICJ about genocidal statements (shocking actually) by government officials made a lot of skeptics
     
  21. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

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    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
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  22. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
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    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    Yes, it sure must feel nice to wear those rose-tinted glasses. I guess you don't spend much time talking to Canadian Jews in Toronto or Montreal. You're right, I've no idea about indigenous people living in Canada, but then again, that came out of left field, so no idea what that has to do with anything that I posted.
     
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  23. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

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    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
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    I was born in Montreal and live in Toronto - I assure you that Outremont, West Island and the Bathurst areas are very secure outside of isolated incidents that you're implying are rampant. They are far from being the worst off here than the way indigenous people are still being treated here.
     
  24. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

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    Why are you bringing up the plight of indigenous people in regards to this subject? So because Canada treats them even shittier then that makes everything else okay?
     
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