Hamas Attacks, Israel Responds II

Can't wait to see seal team 6 bust them out of jail. That'd just be...cherry on top of this whole mess.

 

Why would anyone send in seal team 6 to do the rescue?

Everyone knows the best way to rescue captives is to blow up the whole neighbourhood.

 

That is a massive development.

Link from the ICC: https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statem...-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state

They seek arrest warrants for Sinwar, Haniyeh, and the head of Al-Qassam.

More importantly, they also seek arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant. Which is a much bigger deal.

 

Both israelis and Hamas complaining about the application, which indicates it is a good application. Lets see if the warrants are issued - israel already lobbying its allies to get it defeated.

 

Is it though?

Mr Khan accused the Hamas leaders of having committed crimes including extermination, murder, hostage taking, rape and sexual violence, and torture.

Does Mr Khan know that didn't happen and there is 0 proof

 

I have read the application, and other people’s arguments in this thread. I suggest you do likewise.

(I appreciate your brain is mostly made up of bone so reading the arguments might not help you understand the topic in any event).

 

And your argument was that HAMAS did not rape. Tell me as you seem to avoid the frigging question. DID HAMAS RAPE?

You do not have actual arguments. You just say things until proven otherwise at which point you move on and avoid direct question on the BS you said and the people calling your bullshit and deflect with quips that in your head sound funny.

PS you are so predictable

https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/hamas-attacks-israel-responds.2127934/page-463#post-42006152

Lets not forget @thedukeofsoccer who is holding your hand regarding the whole HAMAS is not capable of rape

For your next trick you will say it does not matter the Gaza "Health" Ministry lied about the number of the dead while you argued they aren't lying

 

Where?

“No evidence of rape” is not “evidence that rape did not happen”. This is a very basic concept that I would hope someone above the age of ten would be able to understand.

False claims of rape and sexual violence (which the israeli side demonstrably did - for example using pictures of rapes by ISIS against Kurds and claiming they were from October 7, or claiming that there was a pregnant woman whose womb was opened and her baby foetus stabbed to death) do not mean that all other allegations are not credible. What needs to happen for an allegation to be taken seriously is for it to be tested by independent parties. The ICC is one such party and I support them looking into this.

I think what you’ll find is that the prosecutor:
- believes that there are grounds to believe that there may have been rape and sexual assault on captives whilst they were held prisoner after the attacks (I suspect this is due to the evidence of Amit Soussana around March 2024, who I find to be credible, and not the accounts of anonymous “Witness S” aka “Sapir”, or special forces soldier “Raz Cohen”, both who claimed to witness the attacks and both of whose statements I do not think are credible).
- is still investigating reports of sexual assault on October 7 itself and has not made a determination on that point but has asked anyone with relevant information to contact his office to submit information.

The statement can be read here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx88l499vero

Why don’t you read the prosecutors statement and explain to me where his points diverge from mine. Try to avoid using Microsoft paint when you respond this time.

 

Dont know how significant these ICC arrest warrants are on Netanyahu and Gallant. Which country is going to enforce them, in the event that those two travel outside Israel?

Seems like a symbolic move to be brutally frank.

 

It starts here and it goes and goes from there. Have fun. 3 pages of you saying nope not possible

Not but giving 2 example of Israeli lies and saying "similarly with the rapes" is you saying rape is another Israeli lie

https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/hamas-attacks-israel-responds.2127934/page-399#post-41944883

You gave 2 example of Israeli lies: beheading babies and the scorching claims and this is your 3rd example of a lie

And again answer the damn question

DID HAMAS RAPE?

 

I don’t know. Do you? When and where were the rapes that you are talking about?

There are no credible reports that I have seen from the October 7 attacks themselves. If you have evidence aside from that by Sapir, Raz Cohen and the Zaka officials, feel free to point me to it and I will let you know if I find the assertions credible or not. I have already explained why I think Sapir, Cohen and Zaka are not credible.

I suspect that Amit Susanna was sexually assaulted and or raped as I have read her testimony and I think she is credible. So yes, I think there is a prima facie case there for rape.

 

Yes. This sh1t is easy. 100% HAMAS raped. They would the only people in history to not do it.

The same way I know Gaza Health Authorities deliberately lied about the number of dead which again will be proven in the future. I am sure your explanation then will be again you deflecting

HAMAS themselves could say yup we did and you will still say still not credible as HAMAS are liars. So excuse me if i give less than 2 sh1ts of things you find credible or not

There is no proof credible enough for Flat Earthers .... that does not make Flat Earthers right

 

Let me make it easy for you. Here is a summary of the allegations, you tell me if you find the allegations by Sapir, Cohen and anyone related to Zaka to be credible, and you tell me if you think the NYT report involving Schwartz stands up to scrutiny:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screams_Without_Words

 

So I answered your direct question. Here’s a direct question for you.

Did the israelis spread any false claims about rape and sexual assault regarding the October 7 attacks?

 

You answered nothing.

Is this bellow you directly answering a question?

Congrats my dude for doing it again. Again this shit is easy.

Is a terrorist organization capable of rape or not? You seem to think it is very complicated question and demand 4k video as proof.

Yes. Next question.

 

Any organisation or human is capable of rape.

That doesn’t mean it did or didn’t happen.

I am capable of murder, and you are capable of making a logical argument. Doesn’t mean we have ever done these things.

What it does mean is that any allegation needs to be tested in order for it to be treated as credible.

Some reading for you (it might be a little advanced for you, but do give it a try).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)

 

Jesus f**k dude. I for one would have thought you would consider yourself above HAMAS. But apparently they are people just like you and me !!!

And 2 this is you basically right now

Can you prove Israel is deliberating attacking civilians?

99% of the things you accuse and are sure IDF does do not pass the threshold of proof you demand of others.

 

Balance of probabilities, yes very easy.

Beyond reasonable doubt, yes in many circumstances (like the granny killed for making a wrong turn, or the multiple unarmed people killed holding white flags, including their own civilians) but more difficult to prove in all cases.

Beyond all doubt by any party, no matter how unreasonable? No, not possible.

 

Good. Apply the same effing logic regarding HAMAS

Like I said 99% of the things you accuse and are sure IDF does do not pass the threshold of proof you demand of others.

 

I have.

eg

Balance of probabilities, Amit Soussana is telling the truth.

Balance of probabilities, “Sapir” is not telling the truth.

All I have asked for is (1) credible allegations, and (2) those credible allegations to be tested by an independent third party.

Credible doesn’t even mean “on balance of probabilities”, never mind allegations that are “beyond all reasonable doubt”.

 

Good thing I’m not asking you to do that, then, isn’t it?

Bring something credible that can be tested by an independent third party.

Amit Soussana did that, I have no reservations in believing that her allegation is credible.

The allegations by the Zaka people of babies being cut out of mothers wombs, or Sapir’s claims of breasts being sliced off during gang rapes? I apply the Sagan standard to that.

 

UN: The number of people displaced from Rafah is now up to about 812,000 since Israel escalated military strikes in the area about 2 weeks ago.

— Gabriel Elizondo (@elizondogabriel) May 20, 2024

 

Too bad Hamas doesn’t give a shit about Palestinians.