Hagel and.............Bloomberg!

Discussion in 'Elections' started by Samarkand, May 13, 2007.

  1. Samarkand

    Samarkand Member+

    May 28, 2001
    Very interesting appearance on Face The Nation. Blasts the GOP as not the party he joined.

    He does not deny a Bloomberg option and sounds very cautious but clever in the interview. Listening to the interview, or at least the clip I couldn't help thinking that Hagel has his Republican opponents where he wants them.

    He hasn't declared so he's not really subject to scutiny yet and meanwhile back at the ranch, McCain is pushing the auto-destruct button every time he gives an interview, Giuliani figures that he has got to get the Reeps to accept a pro-choice or at least neutral position regarding abortion and Romney who has yet to meet a position that he can't find a flip-flop he prefers more.

    So just like an experienced general, Hagel sits on the sidelines and lets his opponents wear themselves out and will he then come in to sweep all before him? With Bloomberg? Interesting days lay ahead.........
     
  2. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Bloomberg as VP would be a waste of good talent. Sorry, but I think that Hagel should play the second fiddle to the proven executive
     
  3. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

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    Yeah, I'm not sure Hagel would ban trans fats, so we need Bloomberg in charge. :)
     
  4. The Gribbler

    The Gribbler Member

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    Yeah if it wasn't for those damn politicians I could still get heroin over the counter, because I have that right as an American and all...
     
  5. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

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    I think you should be able to.

    But I'm not comparing heroin and trans fats, though both may not be particularly good for you, but both should be legal.

    I don't really see this happening though.
     
  6. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    What's your opinion on NYC2030? Well thought out plan or government overstep?
     
  7. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Should it be legal for wineries to mix antifreeze into their barrels to speed up fermentation as well? I mean, aren't vineyards losing money because they have to wait for the natural process to occur?
     
  8. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

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    What is that? I've not heard of it.

    Sure, if people are willing to buy wine made by that process. I don't think I would.
     
  9. Matt in the Hat

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    Are you serious? It's only the biggest city planning proposal since the Robert Moses days
    www.nyc.gov/html/planyc2030/html/home/home.shtml

    So you are cool with people drinking poision. Got it.
     
  10. obie

    obie New Member

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    Bloomberg would likely have no interest in a VP slot. He hasn't worked for a boss in decades.
     
  11. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

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    Yes, that would be the city I don't live or work in. I don't really watch local news either. I'll look into it though.

    Sure, whatever floats your boat. I'm not the national daddy, if people want to be stupid, well that's their choice.

    Smoking 10 packs a day and drinking 20 beers a day is legal too, should that be banned?
     
  12. Matt in the Hat

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    It's a plan that has regional implications. Corzine is working on a similar plan for NJ

    How would they know they are drinking poision?

    No, because there is an upside to beer and smokes to the consumer. There is no positive effect from ingestion of trans fat.
     
  13. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

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    They can put it on the label, or something. It won't be a secret for very long, because if they decide to keep it secret, they'll get caught and go to jail. And it's hard to make money while you're in jail.

    What's the upside to smoking. Ciggarettes contain poison, just ask NYC and all those commercials they run.

    Are you suggesting that if something isn't proven to some politician's satisfaction to have a positive effect, it should be banned?
     
  14. The Gribbler

    The Gribbler Member

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    It seems to be working ok for Mr. CEO Cheney. Working as in he's practically running foreign policy.
     
  15. Matt in the Hat

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    Cheney wishes he was 1/100th as successful as Bloomberg, both politcally and business wise. Not to mention in public opinion.
     
  16. Matt in the Hat

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    So you would know what ethylene glycol was if you just picked up a bottle of wine. How would you know the difference between that and any other nonpoisionous compound? Would we have to wait for people to get sick before something happened?

    They are cool as shit and taste good

    No, I'm saying it shouldn't be legal to serve poision on a menu.
     
  17. The Gribbler

    The Gribbler Member

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    Yeah but my point being he seems to be ok with his position as VP because he practically runs things. You're right though, if he were as successful as Bloomberg he'd be a little less ok with being VP.
     
  18. DamonEsquire

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    Well Carbon based life forms does handle things differently. The Cigerettes would not effect humnas as opposed to plant life the sameway. So in theat regards it could be a salad thing.
     
  19. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

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    If you put poison in wine and didn't tell anyone about it, you'd get sued so fast your head would spin, and you would lose. And you'd probably go to jail. Why would someone do that? Do you think the only reason people don't sell wine with poison in it is because it's against the law?

    Killing your customers isn't good business.

    They smell like it too. And your hero banned them (or was that Rudy).

    What restaurant is going to serve poison? Seriously.

    Banning foie gras (whatever that is) seems to be the rage lately. Are you ok with that?

    How about we ban all unhealthy food. That sounds good.
     
  20. Matt in the Hat

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    Not everyone dies from glycol poisioning. And if the poision isn't illegal for use in foods then on what basis could those customers sue? The winemaker has done nothing illegal.

    It was Mike. And he didn't ban cigs. He restricted the locations in which you can endanger the health of others.

    The ones that use transfats.

    No. I give a shit about goose rights

    Only the ones with known poisions and no nutritonal value.
     
  21. obie

    obie New Member

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    Cheney has massive power because his boss does not have that same power. Comparing a Dubya / anyone ticket to a Hagel / anyone ticket is a massive insult to Hagel.
     
  22. MasterShake29

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    If you sneak poison into something and someone drinks it (unknowingly) and dies, that's called murder. That's illegal I believe.


    Or, he restricted businesses from allowing a legal activity in their private property.

    If Mr. Bloomberg wanted to ban red meat, would that be ok?

    And you're ok with politicians making that determination? Don't give me any crap about "scientists can determine nutritional value". They don't make the decisions.
     
  23. spejic

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    An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
     
  24. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    Cheney's career has been astonishingly successful. He's been a MAJOR political figure since his freaking 30s!
     
  25. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    Torturing animals is so much fun :rolleyes:
     

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