Group therapy thread for liberals...let's talk about the Clintons

Discussion in 'Elections' started by superdave, May 27, 2008.

  1. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
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    Feb 16, 1999
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    Not greasing the rails and clearing out any competition for uninspiring candidates because it's "her turn"?
     
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  2. dna77054

    dna77054 Member+

    Jun 28, 2003
    houston
    It would be interesting to see if the Clinton Foundation gets the same amount of donations in the next 12 months as it has in the previous 12 months. That might give us a clue if influence was really being sold. I also wonder if Bill and Hillary will get as many highly paid speaking engagements as they had before. Surely they are just a knowledgeable today as they were two days ago.
     
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  3. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

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    Bill probably will, because his resume isn't altered by his wife's loss. Hillary's price may have been boosted by the thought that she was the inevitable POTUS. It depends on who the audience is- a group of people who might not pay much to hear from someone who lost a presidential election to a rapist might pay well to hear from the first female to win either party's nom.
     
  4. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
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    Yeah, Hillary is a 2 time loser, people are not going to pay for that.

    Bills fees may also take a hit, but not as big, plus Obama may also go on the speaker circuit, and new pussy is always in higher demand.

    Apologies to women insulted by the Pword, I am making a reference to national team call ups.
     
  5. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
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    Besides the alienating some of her base part, take into account 25 years of fake scandals, sexism and off course she does not have the rock star personality of Bill or Obama... IOW she did not excite her base enough..
     
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  6. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
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    Exactly is not like the party did not know all that was going to happen.

    I might dislike Elizabeth Warner? Economic policies, but other than sexism she did not have the baggage of Clinton.

    And is not just what you mention.

    Look at turn outs during non presidential elections, the GOP base is way more reliable than the democratic base. That is on us, no fvcking scapegoating out of that.
     
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  7. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    Quite a few in this forum vehemently defended those actions six weeks ago.
     
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  8. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
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    New information can often create a different point of view, no?
     
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  9. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    Considering the thread was started eight years ago I would say the info was there. Remember, the voters picked Obama over Clinton and Edwards in 08. Clinton was forced onto the voters in 16.
     
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  10. ceezmad

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    She won the most votes in the primary, so she was not forced on the voters.

    Now if you mean that the DNC should not have allowed the Clinton's to chase away all other candidates other that some old Socialist from Vermont and should have allowed for greater choice, then yes I will agree with that.
     
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  11. Boloni86

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    Yep. And the media too and all her surrogates who were like 90% of the party.

    I actually do think Bernie took a chunk out of her that could never really be replaced. By exposing the rot he poisoned parts of the liberal base in a way that Hillary was unable to overcome. To be fair they never tried. The period from April all the way up to the convention it was open season on Bernie supporters. They were called naive, stupid, insane ... My favorite was Hillary people using the race card against Bernie. How did that work out for her? Where was this minority vote she claimed to have?
     
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  12. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    You said it better than I did.
     
  13. DoyleG

    DoyleG Member+

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    Jan 11, 2002
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    Well, the only lesson that Clinton learned from '08 had nothing to do with gaining the support of party members. She felt then, as she did later, that the party voters could easily be swayed by someone's speech-making and promises of a better future.

    She decided to take control of the party apparatus to ensure that she had control even before the first primary ballots were counted.
     
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  14. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    I think that's a fairly recent phenomenon. In fact, I think it's just when the Dems hold the White House. @American Brummie

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    How, exactly? Seriously, what are you suggesting?
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    Source/link?
     
  15. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    This is true. The GOP got hammered in midterms when Bush was President. They took over the House in 2006 I think.
     
  16. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    I think when the votes are all tallied there will be different conclusions reached than the ones here.

    Remember, the GOP has to govern now. The same people who brought you Iraq. They get another chance to remind people why they should be abandoned to the ashbin of history.
     
  17. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    But they are going to burn down lots of the house taking us back a few centuries with their social (and economic) ideas, while they are in power.
     
  18. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
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    If we learned anything from this election, it's that the memory of Republican voters resets after about 48 hours. Furthermore, I consider it absolutely inevitable that we will get involved in at least a few tit for tat terror wars. I'd be very surprised if T***p doesn't get re-elected.
     
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  19. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
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    Wow, you want to see a divider, Obamacare was a huge divider.

    47% said it went to far, Trump won 83%

    48% were happy or did not think it went far enough, Clinton won 78-82% of those.
     
  20. DoyleG

    DoyleG Member+

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    Still in denial aren't we?
     
  21. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    Meh, just let them burn the country to ashes. Then they'll call for a Democrat and in 8 years they will forget and vote for another Republican.
     
  22. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    I know you are but what am I?
     
  23. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
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    For you superdave

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/ne[/quote]ws/monkey-cage/wp/2016/11/16/the-education-gap-among-whites-this-year-wasnt-about-education-it-was-about-race/
     
  24. roby

    roby Member+

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    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    I can see clearly now, the pain is gone,
    I can see all the obstacles in my way
    Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind
    It's gonna be a bright (bright), bright (bright) Sun-Shiny day.
    [if you're in Munich] :)
     
  25. Boandlkramer

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    Samma Weltmeister!
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