Group D Qualifiers

Discussion in 'GROUP D: Germany, Australia, Serbia, Ghana' started by kwame_tdot, Jun 27, 2010.

  1. kwame_tdot

    kwame_tdot Member

    Jun 15, 2009
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    showing that this was indeed a tough and talented group.

    I feel Aus and/or Serbia would have qualified from Group C,

    Anyway good luck to the Group D Qualifiers as they progress throughout the tournament
  2. vancity eagle

    vancity eagle Member+

    Apr 6, 2006
    its kind of a moot point by now but it is a shame that the WC had groups like D and G, and some truly terrible groups like the one Italy was LAST in . I think the seeding needs to be changed to be honest. I maintain that the worst team in this group is at least the equal of the best team in group C.
  3. RybbRasta

    RybbRasta Red Card

    Jun 23, 2010
    Chelsea FC
    Simple solution: Maybe put everyone in pots base on rankings and just make sure no two teams from one confederation (except Europe) are together? Than i.e. Cote d'Ivoire would be in pot 2 with Portugal, France, Mexico and so on.
  4. benztown

    benztown Member+

    Jun 24, 2005
    VfB Stuttgart
    To be honest, there's no way of preventing these things. Rankings are never accurate, but even if we'd survey a team of experts before the tournament, who would have thought that Italy would turn out to be that bad? Of course one could see the writing on the wall regarding France (and I didn't think that they'd progress from group stage), but the way they imploded was still surprising.

    So even though Germany ended up in a very tough group this time around and was on the verge of an early exit, I still don't see any better system. Just using the FIFA rankings certainly won't help, rather the opposite.

    There is of course always room for improvement, some tweaking here and there, but overall, I see no perfect solution. It's just what it is: The World Cup. And you just have to beat the teams that are put in front of you.
  5. Lusankya

    Lusankya Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    No, CIV would have been in pot 3 in this case.

    Pot allocation based on FIFA rankings only (Host automatically in pot 1):

    Pot 1: South Africa, Brazil, Spain, Netherlands, Italy, Germany, Argentina, England
    Pot 2: France, Portugal, USA, Switzerland, Cameroon, Greece, Chile, Mexico
    Pot 3: Côte d'Ivoire, Serbia, Paraguay, Australia, Uruguay, Denmark, Algeria, Nigeria
    Pot 4: Slovakia, Honduras, Ghana, Japan, Korea Republic, Slovenia, New Zealand, Korea DPR

    Group A would be impossible, either France or Mexico would be replaced by a pot 4 team.
    Group B would still be possible
    Group C would still be possible
    Group D would be impossible, either Serbia or Australia would be replaced by a pot 2 team
    Group E would still be possible
    Group F would be impossible, either NZ or Slovakia would be replace by a pot 2 team (e.g. France or Mexico)
    Group G would still be possible
    Group H would be impossible, Chile or Switzerland would be replaced by a pot 3 team.

    So based on FIFA rankings, you see that group A and group H are stronger and group F and funnily group D are weaker.
    Or rather you see that the FIFA ranking isn't that good.

    I think I should try ELO rankings and make new pots according to them.
  6. Lusankya

    Lusankya Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Based on Elo rating:

    Pot 1: the same
    Pot 2: Mexico, France, Chile, Portugal, USA, Serbia, Uruguay, Switzerland
    Pot 3: Japan, Denmark, Paraguay, Australia, Cote d'Ivoire, Honduras, South Korea, Nigeria
    Pot 4: Greece, Ghana, Slovakia, Slovenia, Cameroon, Algeria, New Zealand, Korea DPR

    Group A: totally impossible two out of Uruguay, France and Mexico would be replaced with pot 3 and 4 teams
    Group B: Impossible, SK or Nigeria would be replaced with a pot 2 team
    Group C: Impossible, Algeria or Slovenia would be replaced with a pot 3 team
    Group D: Still possible
    Group E: Impossible, Denmark or Japan would be replaced with a pot 2 team
    Group F: Impossible, Slovakia or NZ would be replaced with a pot 2 team
    Group G: Still possible
    Group H: Impossible, Switzerland or Chile would be replaced with a pot 4 team.

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