Group B Advancement Scenarios

Discussion in 'GROUP B: Argentina, Nigeria, South Korea, Greece' started by Bmoretiger, Jun 17, 2010.

  1. Bmoretiger

    Bmoretiger New Member

    May 26, 2010
    Baltimore
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Advancement Scenarios

    I'll go through each team. Help me out if I'm missing something.

    Argentina

    1st place with -


    • a win
    • a draw
    • a loss by 2 goals or less and a Nigeria win or draw
    • a loss by 1 goal and a South Korea win of 3 or less
    • a loss by 2 goals and a South Korea win of 2 or less
    • a loss by 1 goal and a South Korea win of 4 with Argentina scoring, at minimum, 2 less goals than South Korea in the final match
    • a loss by 2 goals and a South Korea win of 3 with Argentina scoring, at minimum, 2 less goals than South Korea in the final match
    2nd place with -

    • a loss by 3 goals or more to Greece and a Nigeria win or draw
    • a loss by 2 goals and a South Korea win by 4 or more
    • a loss by 2 goals and a South Korea win by 3 with South Korea scoring at least 3 more goals than Argentina in the final match
    • a loss by 1 goal and a South Korea win by 5 or more
    • a loss by 1 goal and a South Korea win by 4 with South Korea scoring at least 3 more goals than Argentina in the final match
    3rd place with -

    • a loss by 3 goals to Greece and a South Korea win by 3 goals or more
    • a loss by 3 goals to Greece and a South Korea win by 2 goals in which South Korea scores at least 3 more goals than Argentina in the final match
    And we'll just assume Greece does not win by 4 goals. :)
     
  2. Bmoretiger

    Bmoretiger New Member

    May 26, 2010
    Baltimore
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Advancement Scenarios

    Nigeria

    2nd place with -

    • A win and a Greek loss

    3rd place with -

    • A win and a Greek win
    • A win and a Greek draw
    4th place with -

    • A draw
    • A loss


    So much easier than Argentina.
     
  3. Bmoretiger

    Bmoretiger New Member

    May 26, 2010
    Baltimore
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Advancement Scenarios

    Greece

    1st place -

    • A win by 3 goals or more with South Korea losing, drawing, or winning by less than goals.
    • A win by 3 goals or more with South Korea winning by that same amount of goals but Greece scoring 2 or more goals than South Korea in the final match.
    2nd place -

    • A win by 3 goals or more with South Korea winning by 1 more goal than Greece did.
    • A win by 3 goals or more with South Korea winning by that same amount of goals but Greece scoring no more than 1 more goal than South Korea in the final match.
    • A win by 2 goals and a South Korea win by two goals with Greece scoring two or more goals than South Korea in the final match.
    • A win by 2 goals and a South Korea win by 1 goal.
    • A win by 2 goals and a South Korea draw or loss.
    • A win by 1 goal and a South Korea draw or loss.
    • A win by 1 goal and a South Korea win by 1 goal with Greece scoring two more goals than South Korea in the final match.
    • A draw and a South Korea loss.
    • A draw and a South Korea draw with Greece scoring two or more goals than South Korea in the final match.
    Greece does not advance in any other scenario.
     
  4. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, listening to the ESPN announces butcher it (Nigeria doesn't need a big win, just any win and any Greece loss), I thought I'd post one.

    For the record, here are the tie-breakers:

    1. Goal Difference in ALL group matches
    2. Goals Scored in ALL group matches

    If two or more teams still tied, then:

    1. Points gained in group games between the tied teams
    2. Goal difference in group games between tied teams
    3. Goals scored in group games between the tied teams
    4. Drawing of lots.

    http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/56/42/69/fifawcsouthafrica2010inhalt_e.pdf

    Here's where we sit:

    Team - PTS - GD - GS
    Arg: 6 PTS, +4, 5
    Kor: 3 PTS, -1, 3
    Gre: 3 PTS, -1, 2
    Nig: 0 PTS, -2, 1

    Advancement Scenarios

    A. Argentina:

    In with:
    1. Anything but a 3+ goal LOSS to Greece AND South Korea WIN v. Nigeria by 3 or more OR a South Korea WIN by 2 in which they score 3 more goals than Argentina in the last game.

    Wins Group:
    1. Anything but a 3+ goal LOSS to Greece OR a LOSS to Greece + a South Korea WIN over Nigeria with margins adding up to 6 or more goals (1 & 5, 2 & 4, 3 & 3) OR
    2. A LOSS to Greece AND South Korea WIN in which they score 3 more goals than Argentina in the last game and the margins add up to 5 or more.

    B. South Korea

    In with:
    1. A WIN vs. Nigeria + Greece LOSS/DRAW with Argentina.
    2. A DRAW vs. Argentina + Greece LOSS/DRAW vs. Argentina
    3. A WIN vs. Nigeria + Greece WIN by equal or lesser margin vs. Argentina

    Out with:
    1. LOSS to Nigeria
    2. WIN vs. Nigeria AND Greek WIN vs. Argentina by larger margin (providing the margins don't add up to 6 or Greek margin = 3 and South Korea margin is 2 AND South Korea scores 3 more goals than Argentina).

    Wins Group:
    1. WIN + Argentina LOSS with combined margins of 6 or more goals (1 & 5, 2 & 4, 3 & 3) in which Greece doesn't win by more goals than Korea OR
    2. Argentina LOSS AND a South Korea WIN in which they score 3 more goals than Argentina in the last game AND the margins add up to 5 or more.

    C. Greece

    In with:
    1. WIN vs Argentina AND South Korea DRAW/LOSS to Nigeria
    2. DRAW vs. Argentina AND South Korea LOSS to Nigeria
    3. WIN vs. Argentina AND South Korea WIN vs. Nigeria by a lesser margin

    Out with:
    1. LOSS to Argentina
    2. DRAW with Argentina + South Korea WIN/DRAW vs. Nigeria
    3. WIN vs. Argentina + South Korea WIN vs. Nigeria by and equal or greater margin

    Wins Group:
    1. WIN against Argentina by 3+ goals AND Nigeria WIN/DRAW vs. South Korea
    2. WIN vs. Argentina by 3+ goals and South Korea WIN by a lesser margin.

    D. Nigeria

    In with:
    1. WIN vs. South Korea AND Argentina WIN over Greece

    Out With
    1. DRAW/LOSS vs. South Korea
    2. Greece WIN/DRAW vs. Argentina

    Wins Group: CANNOT WIN GROUP

    ==========================================================

    I think that is correct, but any corrections are welcome.

    Anyway, interesting scenarios.

    Argentina should rest anyone with a card (Mascherano, etc) if he has a brain, as they are almost guaranteed to win the group. Still, this could allow Greece to maybe get a draw, especially is Samuel's injury keeps him out too.

    Still, South Korea has to fancy their chances if they get a result, and Nigeria must fancy theirs if they can win.

    The South Korea/Nigeria game is the one to watch for me. Isn't it time for Martins for Nigeria? They need someone who can score from nothing, he's the guy.
     
  5. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Advancement Scenarios

    I did the same thing, with all the teams at once.

    We used a little different language and set up, but I humbly ask the mods to merge them.
     
  6. ElasticNorseman

    ElasticNorseman Member+

    Apr 16, 2004
    Natick, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Re: Advancement Scenarios

    South Korea :)
     
  7. songjim

    songjim Member

    Dec 9, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    your scenario misses some:

    Argentina qualify with:
    win/tie/loss by 2 or less or
    loss by 3 or more and
    ( combined margin of both games being 4 or less (i.e. 3-0 loss and SK 1-0 win)
    or combined margin of both games being 5 but SK having at most 2 more goals than Argentina (i.e. 3-0 loss and SK 2-0 win) ) )

    Argentina win group with:
    win or tie or loss/tie by SK or
    ( loss by 2 or less and korea win/Argentina loss combined margin of 4 or less (i.e. 2-0 and 2-0) ) or
    ( loss by 2 or less and korea win/Argentina loss combined margin of 5 and korea scores at most 2 more goals than argentina (i.e. 3-1 and 3-0) )

    Korea are in with:
    win by 3 or more or
    win plus greek draw/loss or
    win by 2 and greece win by 1 or
    win by 2 and greece win by 2 and greece score at most 1 more goal than sk or
    win by 2 and greece win by 3 and sk score 3 more goals than argentina or
    win by 2 and greece win by 4 or more or
    win by 1 and greece win by 1 and greece score at most 1 more goal than sk or
    win by 1 and greece win by 4 and sk score 3 more goals than argentina or
    win by 1 and greece win by 5 or more or
    draw plus greek loss or
    draw plus greek draw plus greece scoring at most 1 more goal than korea

    korea top group with:
    win by 5 or more and greece win by 1 or
    win by 4 and greece win by 1 and score at least 3 more goals than argentina or
    win by 4 or more and greece win by 2 or
    win by 3 and greece win by 2 and score at least 3 more goals than argentina or
    win by 3 or more and greece win by 3 or more and have larger margin of victory than greece
    win by 3 or more and greece win by 3 or more and have same margin of victory and greece scores at most 1 more goal than sk.

    greece are in with:
    win by 3 or more or
    win plus sk draw/loss or
    win by 2 and sk win by 1 or
    win by 2 and sk win by 2 and greece score at least 2 more goals than sk or
    draw plus sk loss or
    draw plus sk draw plus greece scoring at least 2 more goals than korea

    greece top group with:
    win by 3 or more and sk draw/loss
    win by 3 or more and sk win by 3 or more and have larger margin of victory than sk
    win by 3 or more and sk win by 3 or more and have same margin of victory as sk and score at least 2 more goals than sk.

    nigeria is in with:
    win and greece loss.
     
  8. Dr. Know

    Dr. Know Member+

    Dec 5, 2005
    Macondo
    Threads merged.
     
  9. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Re: Advancement Scenarios

    Complete injustice if Greece comes out of this group.
     
  10. PPN13

    PPN13 New Member

    Jun 30, 2009
    Considering that would mean Greece got a result against Argentina that owned the two other teams why would it be an injustice?
     
  11. EdsonArantes

    EdsonArantes Member

    Apr 6, 2006
    Barra Brava
    Final matchday will be extremely intense. I just hope Argentina doesn't play for a draw.
     
  12. TKORL

    TKORL Member

    Dec 30, 2006
    Club:
    Valencia CF
    Heh, Nigeria can still qualify if it beats SoKo.
     
  13. hbl33

    hbl33 Member

    Jun 17, 2010
    Canada
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    At a string-thin chance. With Kaita out, SK will gain more opportunity to play well against Nigeria. Or if Greece actually wins over Argentina [far more unlikely than surviving a lightning strike], the Nigerian fans will carry their coffins.

    But SK still would have to watch their offensive and defense carefully. After being defeated by 4-1 against Argentinians, Jung Seongryong seems to be unproven so far. PCY still frightens me thanks to the way he played against Argies.
     
  14. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Re: Advancement Scenarios

    Might not be the best scenario for football as a whole, but like PPN says, they deserve some credit if they take points off the team that's been one of the most impressive of the tournament so far.
     
  15. Ganahal

    Ganahal New Member

    Jun 11, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    i cant see greek get point from argys. argys is #1, winner korea-nigeria is #2
     

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