well, you have made it pretty known you don’t think much of TyrusRose and his information but he shared a handful of other coaches considered/pursued including Jim Curtin throughout last offseason, and when he finally turned it down it was late in the game which is why Klopas was brought back
I am sorry, but this is a bit of revisionist history. Coaches "considered/pursued...throughout last offseason" and it was "it was late in the game" when we hired Frank Klopas?!? This is simply not the case. Not only is December 5th, 2023 (the date of Klopas' official hiring) not "late in the game," it was not even the start of the official offseason for MLS. MLS Cup 2023 did not happen until December 9, 2023. As for Jim Curtin, we all "considered" Jim Curtin as a potential coach (he has been one of my "top choices" to lead the Fire for years), but, since he was not available, he did not even make the list of candidates in the Candidate Poll in our thread at the end of the Fire's season last year. Jim Curtin had a job and a contract at the time and was just finishing a season where his team finished 5th in the entire league, made it to the Conference Semi-Final, qualified for CONCACAF, and came in third place in the Leagues Cup®. They were a season removed from winning the Supporters Shield. There were rumblings in the summer about Jim Curtin possibly being let go, but they had an excellent end of the season, as described above. "Considering" or, even, "pursuing" Jim Curtin was not really practical for the Fire. Philadelphia's season ended 10 days prior to the signing of Frank Klopas. If the Fire wanted to actually pursue Jim Curtin, they certainly could not have done so prior to the end of Philadelphia's season. So they had, at most, had 10 days to consider and pursue and meet and make an offer and have him 'finally' turn down the Fire prior to hiring Frank Klopas. That is simply implausible and that assumes that Philadelphia would have allowed it, which I highly doubt they would. This is no longer MLS where we can "trade" our head coach (with a contract) to another team for Rodrigo Faria! If the Fire had actually pursued Curtin during the season, and without permission, they would have been sued left, right and sideways. If this was actually reported by TryusRose as a "serious" option, you can see why I do not put much stock in what he writes. Thank you for that. People like Jesse Marsch and Bob Bradley and Bruce Arena were available at that point. Also, Coaches may have been considered and pursued, but were any actually interviewed? Again, we didn't know then and we don't know now.
lots of things i disagree with here, including the idea that there would be no contact with Curtin's agent until the end of the season, but the point stands that we got stuck with Frank again after he announced he did not want the permanent job and nobody was happy i think where they went completely wrong was by extending heitz in november what decent coach wants to work under that?
I think his prior career shows he's likely to be a serviceable choice for us...... but as the end result of what looks to be a nearly two year coaching search....man, is this weak sauce. I *hope* he does well. I *hope* he is able to accomplish an *actual* rebuilding of this team around the (maybe 5 or 6) players we should be keeping to build on. I *hope* this is the start of something good.... ...but this Lucy ********ing Van Pelt organization has pulled the ********ing football too many times. The most likely result is that this time next year, we're again laying flat on our back saying "Good Grief".
my concern for GGG is less about his coaching and more about the dual role of GM/coach hope he has a good staff supporting him on the GM side
Yeah, Lincoln Yards will never happen, for a number of reasons. Beyond the city and state being broke, there's also the historic NIMBYism on the north side. [Its one reason why every single stadium since Chicago Stadium has been built south of Madison.] Then you've got Mayor CTU, who is/was juiced-in to enable the CTU to negotiate with themselves, to give themselves the contract of their dreams, even to the point of taking on $300MM of high interest loans to fund pay raises. https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/alders-mayor-johnson-dictator-cps-board/ As an aside, the CTU wants to end TIFs, and [surprise, surprise] re-direct that cash to them, so that they don't have to bother making any budget-cutting moves. https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/chicago-teachers-union-cps-tif-funding-budget-deficit/ In sum, if you guys want a SSS inside the city, Lincoln Yards will never, ever happen, and you guys should not want Johnson to be the obedient lackey to the CTU that he is. I wish you guys luck on that. Its unlikely the City or the state will come up with the cash to help make this happen, and if Mansueto has to do it on his own dime, it'll likely have to be in a location that you guys won't like; stadia are rarely put into prime real estate, but rather into sh!ttier parts of towns.
Pretty much all of them inside the city have been built south of Madison. Ya know, where the poors live: United Center is on the south side of madison, NSF is what, at ~1400 South, Wintrust, and GRF at 35th and Shields. Exactly zero venues for professional teams have been built north of Madison inside the city since the now-departed Chicago Stadium, and the still-standing Wrigley field.
Chicago Stadium was built in 1928 United Center is built on the same site as Chicago Stadium NSF is not new, it's just an addition of a stadium that has existed since 1924 GRF is built on the same site as Comiskey, which was built in 1910, before Wrigley Field was built only Wintrust is a brand new stadium site since 1928 in all of Chicago, best I can tell i'm not defending the real nimbyism that exists, but saying "no new stadiums north of madison since 1928" is silly
When it existed, it was on the North side of Madison. Wrong, its on the south side of madison. And it's south of Madison. Also, south of Madison, and south of where Comiskey stood. Again, south of Madison. Then show us exactly which ones have been built north of Madison. I said, "Pretty much all of them inside the city have been built south of Madison. Ya know, where the poors live." And yes, much of this reality is down to NIMBYism.
Well done, no notes... ...apart from we'll see if any sort of venue is built on the North side during our lifetimes. IF the fire get a SSS in the city limits, you can bet your bottom dollar that it won't be in Lincoln Yards.
lol building new stadiums in parking lots of an old stadium as a replacement has nothing to do with nimbyism this dude tried to add a renovation of an old stadium to the list too there has been one new stadium campus built since 1928 in the entire city
And I would argue that the existence of zero stadia on the north side does have much to do with NIMBYism, full stop.
Why are you all arguing about this nonsense? Who gives a rat's ass? NONE of of this has a damned thing to do with Gregg Berhalter taking over the Fire as Sporting Director/GM/Grand Pooba and Head Coach. Take the discussion to one of the Soldier Field related threads, please. The Original: https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/fire-moving-to-soldier-field.2102974/ Or: https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/mansueto-on-soldier-field.2116494/ https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/interesting-read-about-the-training-center-project.2123333/ https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/stadium-stuff.2129573/ Let's pollute this thread with trash talking and/or praising our new LEADER!
Khan, you make stupid arguments sound somewhat cogent. If Joe wants a stadium in Lincoln Yards it will happen. He does not want public funds.
This is a really awkward sentence: “Look, I know, people on the internet get…how do I put this nicely…extremely weird in an incredibly off-putting way that makes me wonder if I even like sports sometimes about Gregg Berhalter.”