Alert: Gregg Berhalter Sporting Director and Head Coach Career Deathwatch or should that be "Nut Rider?"

Discussion in 'Chicago Fire' started by xtomx, Oct 8, 2024.

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What happens in the next 24 months with GGG at the helm of our Chicago Fire?

  1. Fire win...the Wooden Spoon in either 2024 or 2025

    1 vote(s)
    5.3%
  2. Fire still suck in 2025, but make the playoffs in 2026...baby steps

    6 vote(s)
    31.6%
  3. Fire make the playoffs in 2025 and 2026, appropriate steps

    7 vote(s)
    36.8%
  4. Fire make the playoffs in 2025 and make it to MLS Cup 2026

    1 vote(s)
    5.3%
  5. Fire win it all in 2025!...Take that shit to the Optimism Thread

    3 vote(s)
    15.8%
  6. Fire win the Leagues Cup...the ONLY cup that matters

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Fire are "allowed" into the US Open Cup and win! Kings of the Cup, baby!

    6 vote(s)
    31.6%
  8. Gregg uses his amazing contacts and the Fire become USMNT "light" (we have Acosta!)

    3 vote(s)
    15.8%
  9. This is the Chicago Fire, so SOMETHING STUPID HAPPENS!

    15 vote(s)
    78.9%
  10. Malört (now and forever, for better or worse, in sickness and in health)

    11 vote(s)
    57.9%
  11. Rubber Dick (that does NOT already look like GGG)

    9 vote(s)
    47.4%
  12. I don't know what will happen, but I am along for the ride. Fire 'til I Die!

    8 vote(s)
    42.1%
  13. Fire 'til I Die! (or until something better comes along)

    4 vote(s)
    21.1%
  14. We sign two DP for 2025.

    5 vote(s)
    26.3%
  15. We sign at least one great, big name DP for 2025

    3 vote(s)
    15.8%
  16. That big name is Christian Pulisic (is he a big name? I don't know)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  17. The wallowers are attacked...again (I hope this does not happen)

    3 vote(s)
    15.8%
  18. Malört (now and forever, for better or worse, in sickness and in health)

    10 vote(s)
    52.6%
  19. Rubber Dick (that does NOT already look like GGG)

    7 vote(s)
    36.8%
  20. Gregg flames out and Klopas becomes interim head coach by October 2026

    5 vote(s)
    26.3%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    well, you have made it pretty known you don’t think much of TyrusRose and his information but he shared a handful of other coaches considered/pursued including Jim Curtin throughout last offseason, and when he finally turned it down it was late in the game which is why Klopas was brought back
     
  2. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    #77 xtomx, Oct 9, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2024
    I am sorry, but this is a bit of revisionist history.
    Coaches "considered/pursued...throughout last offseason" and it was "it was late in the game" when we hired Frank Klopas?!?
    This is simply not the case.

    Not only is December 5th, 2023 (the date of Klopas' official hiring) not "late in the game," it was not even the start of the official offseason for MLS.
    MLS Cup 2023 did not happen until December 9, 2023.

    As for Jim Curtin, we all "considered" Jim Curtin as a potential coach (he has been one of my "top choices" to lead the Fire for years), but, since he was not available, he did not even make the list of candidates in the Candidate Poll in our thread at the end of the Fire's season last year.

    Jim Curtin had a job and a contract at the time and was just finishing a season where his team finished 5th in the entire league, made it to the Conference Semi-Final, qualified for CONCACAF, and came in third place in the Leagues Cup®. They were a season removed from winning the Supporters Shield.
    There were rumblings in the summer about Jim Curtin possibly being let go, but they had an excellent end of the season, as described above. "Considering" or, even, "pursuing" Jim Curtin was not really practical for the Fire.
    Philadelphia's season ended 10 days prior to the signing of Frank Klopas.

    If the Fire wanted to actually pursue Jim Curtin, they certainly could not have done so prior to the end of Philadelphia's season. So they had, at most, had 10 days to consider and pursue and meet and make an offer and have him 'finally' turn down the Fire prior to hiring Frank Klopas. That is simply implausible and that assumes that Philadelphia would have allowed it, which I highly doubt they would.
    This is no longer MLS where we can "trade" our head coach (with a contract) to another team for Rodrigo Faria!
    If the Fire had actually pursued Curtin during the season, and without permission, they would have been sued left, right and sideways.

    If this was actually reported by TryusRose as a "serious" option, you can see why I do not put much stock in what he writes. Thank you for that.

    People like Jesse Marsch and Bob Bradley and Bruce Arena were available at that point.
    Also, Coaches may have been considered and pursued, but were any actually interviewed?
    Again, we didn't know then and we don't know now.
     
  3. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    I don’t think that’s accurate but whatevs. Water under the bridge now.

    EDIT: What @xtomx said.
     
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  4. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Much more succinct than my long scribe that says the same thing.
    Thank you.
     
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  5. harrylee773

    harrylee773 Member+

    Jul 28, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So you’re going to keep making up completely unbelievable shit. Cool, cool.
     
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  6. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    lots of things i disagree with here, including the idea that there would be no contact with Curtin's agent until the end of the season, but the point stands that we got stuck with Frank again after he announced he did not want the permanent job and nobody was happy

    i think where they went completely wrong was by extending heitz in november

    what decent coach wants to work under that?
     
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  7. dlm_Fire

    dlm_Fire Member+

    Aug 16, 2002
    Chicago
    I think his prior career shows he's likely to be a serviceable choice for us......

    but as the end result of what looks to be a nearly two year coaching search....man, is this weak sauce.

    I *hope* he does well. I *hope* he is able to accomplish an *actual* rebuilding of this team around the (maybe 5 or 6) players we should be keeping to build on. I *hope* this is the start of something good....

    ...but this Lucy ********ing Van Pelt organization has pulled the ********ing football too many times. The most likely result is that this time next year, we're again laying flat on our back saying "Good Grief".
     
  8. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    my concern for GGG is less about his coaching and more about the dual role of GM/coach

    hope he has a good staff supporting him on the GM side
     
  9. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    #84 Khan, Oct 9, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2024
    Yeah, Lincoln Yards will never happen, for a number of reasons.

    Beyond the city and state being broke, there's also the historic NIMBYism on the north side. [Its one reason why every single stadium since Chicago Stadium has been built south of Madison.]

    Then you've got Mayor CTU, who is/was juiced-in to enable the CTU to negotiate with themselves, to give themselves the contract of their dreams, even to the point of taking on $300MM of high interest loans to fund pay raises.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/alders-mayor-johnson-dictator-cps-board/

    As an aside, the CTU wants to end TIFs, and [surprise, surprise] re-direct that cash to them, so that they don't have to bother making any budget-cutting moves.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/chicago-teachers-union-cps-tif-funding-budget-deficit/

    In sum, if you guys want a SSS inside the city, Lincoln Yards will never, ever happen, and you guys should not want Johnson to be the obedient lackey to the CTU that he is.
    I wish you guys luck on that. Its unlikely the City or the state will come up with the cash to help make this happen, and if Mansueto has to do it on his own dime, it'll likely have to be in a location that you guys won't like; stadia are rarely put into prime real estate, but rather into sh!ttier parts of towns.
     
  10. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    which stadiums are those?

    Wintrust? and?
     
  11. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    Pretty much all of them inside the city have been built south of Madison. Ya know, where the poors live:

    United Center is on the south side of madison,
    NSF is what, at ~1400 South,
    Wintrust, and
    GRF at 35th and Shields.

    Exactly zero venues for professional teams have been built north of Madison inside the city since the now-departed Chicago Stadium, and the still-standing Wrigley field.
     
  12. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    Chicago Stadium was built in 1928

    United Center is built on the same site as Chicago Stadium

    NSF is not new, it's just an addition of a stadium that has existed since 1924

    GRF is built on the same site as Comiskey, which was built in 1910, before Wrigley Field was built


    only Wintrust is a brand new stadium site since 1928 in all of Chicago, best I can tell


    i'm not defending the real nimbyism that exists, but saying "no new stadiums north of madison since 1928" is silly
     
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  13. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    When it existed, it was on the North side of Madison.

    Wrong, its on the south side of madison.

    And it's south of Madison.

    Also, south of Madison, and south of where Comiskey stood.

    Again, south of Madison.


    Then show us exactly which ones have been built north of Madison. I said, "Pretty much all of them inside the city have been built south of Madison. Ya know, where the poors live."

    And yes, much of this reality is down to NIMBYism.
     
  14. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    For the record, NSF is not where the poors live.
     
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  15. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    Well done, no notes...


    ...apart from we'll see if any sort of venue is built on the North side during our lifetimes. IF the fire get a SSS in the city limits, you can bet your bottom dollar that it won't be in Lincoln Yards.
     
  16. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    lol

    building new stadiums in parking lots of an old stadium as a replacement has nothing to do with nimbyism

    this dude tried to add a renovation of an old stadium to the list too


    there has been one new stadium campus built since 1928 in the entire city
     
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  17. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    And I would argue that the existence of zero stadia on the north side does have much to do with NIMBYism, full stop.
     
  18. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    agreed, let’s not count Wrigley Field
     
  19. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    @Khan what are some yimby efforts taking place in your community?
     
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  20. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Why are you all arguing about this nonsense? Who gives a rat's ass?

    NONE of of this has a damned thing to do with Gregg Berhalter taking over the Fire as Sporting Director/GM/Grand Pooba and Head Coach.

    Take the discussion to one of the Soldier Field related threads, please.
    The Original:
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/fire-moving-to-soldier-field.2102974/
    Or:
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/mansueto-on-soldier-field.2116494/
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/interesting-read-about-the-training-center-project.2123333/
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/stadium-stuff.2129573/


    Let's pollute this thread with trash talking and/or praising our new LEADER!
     
  21. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thank you
     
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  22. plezercruz

    plezercruz Member

    Sep 20, 2004
    Who are these guys?

    Pete (hopes they show up for the game threads)
     
  23. milicz

    milicz Member+

    Dec 2, 2001
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    Khan, you make stupid arguments sound somewhat cogent. If Joe wants a stadium in Lincoln Yards it will happen. He does not want public funds.
     
  24. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
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