Greg Vanney: yes or no?

Discussion in 'D.C. United' started by DCSharksFC, Jan 28, 2008.

  1. DCSharksFC

    DCSharksFC Member

    Feb 28, 2003
    Virginia Tech
    with vanney's status up for debate, where do you all see him this year?

    personally i'd like to see him go, he's old an slow, but at the same time, solidified our defense last year after the erpen trade, it took a few games, but i warmed up to it,

    however, he's replaceable and it frees up some cap space
  2. AlecW81

    AlecW81 Member

    Oct 20, 2005
    Durham, NC
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If we have indeed signed Peralta as well as Martinez, he's surplus goods, and overpriced surplus goods at that. BuBye
  3. John_Harkes_6

    John_Harkes_6 New Member

    Mar 29, 2000
    Baltimore, MD.
    He is out of contract and it depends on what it would take to keep him. I like his experience and if he was willing to re-sign for a manageable amount I wouldn't be opposed to keeping him. I thought the backline was much more solid after he adjusted. And - while we are all happy to see all these new signings we don't how well they are going to adjust to MLS.
  4. DangerMouse37

    DangerMouse37 Member+

    Jan 22, 2004
    WDC / Barra
    It all depends on price.

    He's a good guy with a lot of experience, someone who may be able to help stabilize a backline full of young/new players.

    I think it will take some leadership to get this new a team to gel, and I am guessing he can help. The team did play better when he was in the mix.

    If the price isn't onerous, I say keep him another year. If its too high, well, c'est la vie, dude.
  5. Section106

    Section106 Member

    May 1, 2003
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Vanney sucks, period. He has always been over-rated, IMO. He did not solidify our backline. Switching to a four man backline solidified our backline. His free kicks suck, he can't hit a corner, and he's slow. The only use for his experience is as a coach at this point. So put me in the "no" column for Vanney as a player for this season.
  6. LN - Dougg

    LN - Dougg Member

    Aug 26, 2004
    Dale City, VA
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    El Salvador
    Whether we get our players or not, don't want him back. He got plenty of starts last year and was not impressive at all.
  7. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I ripped Vanney as much as anyone here ........ probably more. I don't think he solidified our backline. I didn't and still don't think we should have traded Erpen for him. I think that Simms being inserted into the starting lineup had infinitely more to do with the teams improved defense than Vanney. With all that being said, I would keep Vanney if he took a huge paycut, simply for reasonable defensive depth. In a pinch, he can still come in for a couple games, and not TOTALLY kill the team. He can also be called upon to play in some Open Cup games and the like, with the sheer number of games this team will play. Every player on this team isn't going to be a star, and guys like Vanney will be needed to put in the time. So again, I would keep him if he was knocked down to 50 or 60K.
  8. PJohnson

    PJohnson Member+

    DC United
    Dec 16, 2004
    South Dakota
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I prefer to keep Vanney at this point. Lets see what the new guys can do before we dismiss him as surplus to requirements. If course there is that small issue of compensation. And franky, I wouldn't pay Vanney more than $100,000 per year. I would offer one year guaranteed with a club held option. Take it or leave it. The question is will he sign for that.
  9. tmas

    tmas Member

    Dec 30, 2002
    I wouldn't want him back. He's got way too much in front of him, and there's no way he's settling for playing junk minutes. Let him go some where else, and we get some compensation for him.
  10. JeremyEritrea

    JeremyEritrea Member+

    Jun 29, 2006
    Takoma Park, MD
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't wait for the off season (aka silly season) to be over.
  11. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was underwhelmed by Vanney last season, but I'm not so sure it would be a good idea to jettison an experienced pro with so many new guys coming in.
  12. Pseudonym

    Pseudonym Member

    Nov 23, 2007
    We already have 5 quality defenders fighting for four slots. Unless we have two injuries to our backline, Vanney won't get a chance to play. His services would be much more valuable at another club.
  13. Grasscutter

    Grasscutter Member

    Jan 21, 2003
    DC United
    And even he agreed to $100,000, I'd rather spend that money on a quality forward, at this point.
  14. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Five (hopefully) good defenders fighting for four slots is not much depth, you know. Especially when we'll have 32 regular season games + Concacaf Champions' Cup + SuperLiga + opening round of Concacaf Champions' League + US Open Cup + (hopefully) Copa Sudamericana + (probably) MLS Playoffs. Remember how busy last season was? This next season will be busier.

    I don't mean this as an argument for keeping Vanney specifically -- just to say that (Burch, Martinez, McTavish, Namoff, Peralta) is arguably not sufficient depth at defense for at least 39 meaningful matches during the time period encompassed by our regular season, and possibly more (as well as at least a couple before the season starts, and who knows how many after). Yes, I'm aware it's the same number of start-quality defenders as last season. But this season will be harder; and we want to do better than last season.
  15. scarshins

    scarshins Member

    Jun 13, 2000
    5 defenders, four right-footed, correct?

    I thought he did OK last year but the others came apart around him, but sometimes it's hard to tell if it's the alternator or fan belt :confused: they're all connected after all.
  16. Bolivianfuego

    Bolivianfuego Your favorite Bolivian

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Va
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    I agree with those that say keep him, if he comes back for waaaaay cheaper. If not then let him go. But he would be great to throw in when our A-team backline needs some rest, whether it be martinez or peralta or mctavish.
  17. owendylan

    owendylan Member

    May 30, 2001
    DC United
    No no hell no. Too old but mainly too slow. His vaunted left-footed service was pretty much missing all last season and he never did crap with a free-kick or corner.
  18. Wild Turkey

    Wild Turkey New Member

    Jul 12, 2007
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We really need fairly solid sixth defender but I think Vanney is out of here. I'd definitely keep him for the right money but I don't think that's in the cards.
  19. Postmaster

    Postmaster Member

    Jan 10, 2002
    Poolesville, MD USA
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Greg Vanney: yes or no? = GOING TO LA

    Per Ives: DC to deal Vanney to Galaxy

    Good news. DCU can always use some more draft picks or allocation money for a player we don't want on our roster, but whom we "control" within MLS.

    Hard to see how cap-bound LA can afford to pay Greg what he'd like to be paid. Oh, that's right, LA doesn't seem to be bound by the cap. ;-)
  20. BigKris

    BigKris Member

    Jan 17, 2005
    Falls Church, VA
    Re: Greg Vanney: yes or no? = GOING TO LA

    It'll be interesting to see how much we get for his rights.
  21. sch2383

    sch2383 New Member

    Feb 14, 2003
    Northern Virginia
    Re: Greg Vanney: yes or no? = GOING TO LA

    Who wants to bet the Superclub bid against itself and we made out like bandits?
  22. JuanMa

    JuanMa Member

    Jul 22, 2003
    Happy to see him go and get $ out of it... real question is, which DP slot should DCU get?

    My guess is that Luciano will take that spot mid season if he continues to lead the league in scoring. Otherwise, we will sign a high profile striker (like Palermo or similar caliber)
  23. Untroubled by Reason

    Dec 5, 2007
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a side note, it's interesting that the Gals need defensive help, and that Abel Xavier isn't gettin it done so far in preseason. It should be fun to attack them this season... again.
  24. Zman Gunner

    Zman Gunner BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 7, 2003
    Middletown, DE
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Greg Vanney: yes or no? = GOING TO LA

    I would guess that at best - DC gets a 2nd rounder for Vanney (which is what Dallas got from Colorado for him - granted he is older now but LA's central defense is shaky at best with Jazic hurt, Xavier being questionable and pricey at that, Harden retiring) - I do not think that we get any allocation $ for him as LA will need all of them to fit Beckham, Donovan, Ruiz and the other 15 lesser paid senior roster players under the cap. I doubt that LA will trade a player to us (if DC were to get one, Kelly Gray might be of interest due to his ability to play defender or midfielder and the fact that he does not seem to be a starter there but DC would likely have to give up something in addition to Vanney to get him. Hopefully, DC will not take someone like Peter Vagenas for pricey d-mid depth). In terms of other recent veteran defender deals for draft picks, DC got two 3rd rounders for Prideaux - Chivas' Alex Zotinca and Shavar Thomas both were acquired for 2nd rounders.

    Have to wonder if Vanney's acquisition hurts the chances of LA keeping ex-DC draft pick Jay Needham (who likely wants a senior contract) or helps them (DC throws his rights into the trade to get a little more value).
  25. JoeW

    JoeW New Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Northern Virginia, USA
    1. By acquiring Vanney, this pretty much confirms the rumor that LAG wants to cut Abel Xavier loose.

    I think Vanney is a good player (good, not great) and maybe with a different coach or system he'll look better. But you've got to figure that LAG subtracts Albright, Cannon, Harden, and Xavier and adds Vanneyand Babayaro with a couple of young guys (draft picks or people like Randoph and Cronin) getting experience. Wow--just wow! The potential for LAG to be a really bad team (especially if Beckham ever gets any more callups for England) this year is definitely there. From my perspective, they have likely subtracted talent on defense.

    2. I'm in no rush to get a player from LAG. I don't think they have much of what would help us. Klein would (but that would be a stop-gap: a poor-man's Ben Olsen with a big cap hit). Martino?

    Nah, I see us getting a conditional draft pick. And frankly, our chances of a high pick are good. Here's why: unless Gullit throws a fit, you can expect Vanney to start for LAG and play all the season. Picks are usually contingent on stuff like: makes the team, then plays in a minimum number of games, than starts most of the season and then maybe makes the all-star team or some other reward.

    In any case, I'm glad the deal was made. I felt bad for Rimando that Ellinger kept him out of camp last year (and it affected his game early in the season as he was clearly rusty and had some howlers at first for RSL before settling down). I felt bad for Vanney who is a good teammate and stand-up guy that he was staying home. I understand why Soehn, etc. don't want a player we have no intention of keeping in our camp but to a certain extent it means he's being held hostage of a sorts so I'm glad just for Vanney's sake this got sorted out. Just because he wasn't "THE answer" for us doesn't mean I have to wish him ill (though I do wish a pox on his new team).

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