As MLS develops more as time goes on, it will help to advance if we continue to sell players to prove the talent within MLS. This has started to happen alot more as of late. We should have an area to talk about players who had stints in MLS or who were brought up through MLS & now have moved on to impress elsewhere in the world. Keep tabs on them like in Yanks Abroad, they might make MLS proud & make a certain country respect the league even more or who knows they may have a rough go at it & want to return to the league. I believe there should be a subforum for this, but if not a thread is good enough. Its pretty much Yanks Abroad but it'd probably be best to keep it to players who land in notable leagues around the world or recognizable players. Someone like Alfredo Pacheco is the kind of player that would not be included. He spent a short stint at NYRB, he went back to El Salvador, no one really cared. Clint Dempsey, Ramon Nunez, Arturo Alvarez, Geoff Cameron, Dane Richards (soon to be Burnley), Robbie Findley, Maurice Edu, Davide Somma, Ryan Nelsen & Marco Pappa (soon Heerenveen) are just quick examples off the top of my mind. There are obviously a lot others. What do we think?
So, only players who go to "greener" pastures? Not players who go to "less green" pastures? Who gets to make that determination of greenness? Regardless, a sub-forum would be good for this, if there is enough interest in it.
Not really important. Just an example to say, we'd probably have to draw the line somewhere or there would be way too much to talk bout... Certainly could do the lesser green but there would be a lack of interest & knowledge in a lot of circumstances.
Im going to post a list of relevant players abroad of interest.. Feel free to add names if you can think of anyone.
While i'm slowly but surely putting a decent list together.. Carlos Ruiz & Carlo Costly are free agents. May come back to MLS or elsewhere abroad.. Real news though: "@FrancoPanizo: Sources w/ knowledge of situation confirmed to me that @VictorPalsson has been loaned to unspecified Dutch club. On way to Europe now. #RBNY"
Serie A (Italy): Michael Bradley (AS Roma) - New York Swiss Super League: Davide Chiumiento (FC Zurich) - Vancouver Whitecaps Eridivisie (Netherlands): Jozy Altidore (AZ Alkmaar) - New York * Marco Pappa (SC Heerenveen) - Chicago Fire Primeira Liga (Portugal): Arturo Alvarez (Pacos de Ferreira) - San Jose Earthquakes, FC Dallas, Real Salt Lake Scottish Third Division: Carlos Bocanegra (Rangers FC) - Chicago Fire Ekstraklasa (Poland): Tomasz Frankowski (Jagellonia Bialystok) - Chicago Fire English Premier League: Ryan Nelsen (QPR) - DC United Brad Friedel (Tottenham Hotspur) - Columbus Crew Maurice Edu (Stoke City) - Toronto FC Geoff Cameron (Stoke City) - Houston Dynamo Clint Dempsey (Fulham FC) - New England Revolution Tim Howard (Everton FC) - New York Brad Guzan (Aston Villa) - Chivas USA English Championship: Andy Dorman (Crystal Palace FC) - New England Revolution Tim Ream (Bolton Wanderers FC) - New York Ramon Nunez (Leeds United) - FC Dallas, Chivas USA Davide Somma (Leeds United) - San Jose Earthquakes Stuart Holden (Bolton Wanderers FC) - Houston Dynamo Robbie Findley (Nottingham Forest) - Los Angeles Galaxy, Real Salt Lake * Dane Richards (Burnley FC) - New York, Vancouver Whitecaps English League One: Robbie Rogers (Stevenage FC) - Columbus Crew Russian Premier League: Yura Movsisyan (Krasnodar) - Real Salt Lake Primera Division (Argentina): Lucio Filomeno (Atletico de Rafaela) - DC United Pablo Hernandez (Argentinos Juniors) - DC United Matias Donnet (Union de Santa Fe) - DC United Sebastian Grazzini (Atletico de Rafaela) - Chicago Fire Campeonato Brasileiro Serie A: Franco Niell (Figueirense) - DC United Jeferson (Esporte Clube Bahia) - Kansas City Allsvenskan (Sweden): Eric Friberg (Malmo FF) - Seattle Sounders FC Belgian Pro League: Sacha Kljestan (RSC Anderlecht) - Chivas USA Mustapha Jarju (RAEC Mons) - Vancouver Whitecaps Liga MX (Mexico): Herculez Gomez (Santos Laguna) - Los Angeles Galaxy, Colorado Rapids, Kansas City Michael Orozco (San Luis) - Philadelphia Union Jonathan Bornstein (Tigres UANL) - Chivas USA Facundo Erpen (Atlas) - DC United, Colorado Rapids Nery Castillo (CF Pachuca) - Chicago Fire Luis Angel Landin (Queretaro) - Houston Dynamo Damarcus Beasley (Puebla) - Los Angeles Galaxy, Chicago Fire Omar Bravo (Cruz Azul) - Kansas City Tippeligaen (Norway): Chad Barrett (Valerenga Fotball) - Chicago Fire, Toronto FC, Los Angeles Galaxy Emmanuel Ekpo (Molde FK) - Columbus Crew Danish Superliga: Clarence Goodson (Brondby IF) - FC Dallas Michael Parkhurst (FC Nordsjaelland) - New England Revolution Charlie Davies (Randers FC) - DC United Liga Postobon (Colombia): Faryd Mondragon (Deportivo Cali) - Philadelphia Union Rafael Robayo (Millonarios) - Chicago Fire Miguel Montano (Deportivo Cali) - Seattle Sounders, Montreal Impact * = Transfer abroad after 2012 MLS season
Good idea. I;d figure Montero will move in the next year, and as much as I love watching him here, I;d also love to see him at a higher level and I do think he has the talent to do very well in a top league. Also agree selling players is good for the league, as the more who find success will make it not as much of a gamble to bid for an MLS player and the offers should increase, which helps both MLS and the involved clubs. Also, the more talent which finds success coming out of MLS most likely imo gives younger potential DP's more of a inclination to come here, and should help with incoming talent. When a guy like Cameron goes and gets MOTM in his first game, I'd think it helps raise the perception of MLS in the eyes of a few, and the more that happens, the more perception is raised. Then maybe Euro leagues are more comfortable sending younger guys here on loan, some with an option to buy maybe down the road. Who knows, it'll take time either way.
Once more, can some one provide me with a list of teams or leagues that have improved their quality over the last 20 years by a policy of selling players on the transfer market? Not Barcelona or Manchester United, please! MLS has improved its quality over that time without engaging in a policy of selling players. Sounds like MLS has done the right thing.
Barcelona & Manchester United arent 16 years old. In order to grow its important we spread knowledge about MLS around the world, one way of doing that is by letting some players go every once in a while. Players do well in respectable leagues & MLS gets that much more respect & reputation. This will only lead to more players coming in aswell.
MLS absolutely does that. There could be a fairly substantial list of players that MLS has "sold" (and not let go on a free transfer). (and yes, admittedly, most guys who leave MLS are able to do so on a free transfer. just like most guys that come to MLS arrive on a free transfer. but MLS is involved, somewhat or very limited, in the "buying/selling" market, when the "price" is right.)
Also former N.E Revolution ; Milton Joel Caraglio Pérez is an Argentine professional footballer that currently plays for Chilean Primera División club Rangers as striker. (2012 9 Goals in 18 games).
I wasnt going to include players in leagues like that but since he's doing well & potentially can be a very good player, i'll add him to the list. Also forgot that Yura Movsisyan started with KC. I'll change those after the transfer window when we see where Bocanegra & Dempsey land.
Since the original poster brought him up, when is Bocanegra going to get away from Rangers? Kind of embarrassing watching the US national team captain struggle against part-time Third Division pub teams in 4000-seat stadiums...
I don't think Costly spent enough time in MLS to really be relevant to your larger point...people that flit through the league for a season or less won't reflect much on the quality of MLS when and if they finally touch down. And unless you really rate the Polish league it's been a long time since Costly was anywhere near a pasture greener than MLS...
If the player has been in MLS & they are a relatively big name then it is worth mentioning for sure. Just because I say "greener" it doesnt mean the skill is better. MLS' quality is better than alot of the leagues listed above, but the players in a lot of cases see it as greener because of the pay & in some cases it can even be tongue & cheek. As to say, was that move really better for his career? The player always seems think so... But its not always the case.
We'll, I'm glad we have this space to give our input as to what (truly) is "better" for every player's career (and for the overall business of MLS as a single-entity that controls/holds/manages player contracts).
Isn't this what Lyon did during their dominant period? I mean, not exactly, but they definitely weren't afraid to sell when they got a decent offer for a player. I don't think it would work here, because MLS rarely gets decent offers, mostly because of the roster restrictions and salary cap. For example, Randers offered RSL some fee to get Movsisyan in the middle of the 2009 season, but it wasn't worth it to RSL who couldn't pick up a replacement down the playoff stretch because of league rules. Randers would have had to offer a much larger transfer fee than would have been worth to them. RSL probably passed up on a couple of hundred thousand dollars, but won the championship. Maybe they would have won without Yura, but I don't think you could call hanging onto him "bad business"...unless you're an idiot, I guess.
Except that he was sold for $3M by Randers less than 12 months removed from getting him on a free transfer. Source on what RSL was really offered?
There's a difference between succeeding in Europe and succeeding in MLS, in terms of value, I guess, that would explain the increase in the fee. Also, the fee offered to RSL was at the butt end of Movsisyan's contract -- he only had 3 months left on it. They wouldn't have offered very much. For the source, it was from an interview with the RSL GM. I'll see if I can find the article.
I don't think many clubs do this with players they've brought in from elsewhere, but it's pretty common for mid-level teams with limited resources but good development youth systems to sell off the products of their academies once they start attracting external interest. The proceeds are then used to bring in experienced players or "stars" a la MLS's Designated Players...
Victor Palsson going on loan Nijmegen in the Eridivisie. Key things today: Kljestan went 90+ for Anderlecht in their 2-0 win against Limassol & got a yellow which qualifies Anderlecht for the CL group stages Robbie Findley did not dress for Forest, perhaps its time for him to move on. Robbie Rogers went 63 mins against Southampton in their 4-1 loss in the Capital One Cup. Rogers was first sub but Stevenage were only down 1-0 at the time. Brad Guzan went 90 for Villa in 3-0 win vs Tranmere Davide Somma & Ramon Nunez also DNP for Leeds Tim Ream went 90 in the 2-1 loss to Crawley Geoff Cameron went 90 in Stoke's 4-3 loss to Swindon
I'm well aware of this. My point is: how many clubs started at, say, the 3rd division, and used this strategy of selling off their best/most promising players to acquire new players and get up to the 1st division? Or how many leagues formerly had few continental club championship slots and now get a lot more due to a league-wide policy of youth development? I can't think of any. MLS has improved without using the transfer market, and therefore is on a more stable financial position since transfers are not counted as an ordinary source of income.