WC Spain 1982 Starting with the 3rd era: 80s to 2000s Top-Ten NTs around 1982 These are the best ELO coefficients for NTs between 1981-83: BRAZIL = 2125 W.GERMANY = 2069 ITALY = 2026 SOVIET UNION = 2007 ENGLAND = 1993 POLAND = 1977 ARGENTINA = 1971 BELGIUM = 1916 FRANCE = 1911 AUSTRIA = 1909 Closer level: with +/-100 points lower. Holland, East Germany, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Wales, Spain, Uruguay & Peru
WC Spain 1982 Top-4 BRAZIL World class: Junior, Dirceu, Cerezo, Falcao, Zico, Socrates International class: Leao, Leandro, Edinho, Oscar, Marinho Chagas, Paulo Isidoro, Eder, Roberto Dinamite, Reinaldo, C.Adao Formation: -------------------- Leao Leandro ----- Oscar ----- Edinho ----- Junior ---------------- T.Cerezo ----------------------- Falcao ---- Socrates ----------------- Zico --------------- R.Dinamite ------------ Eder Subs: Valdir Peres; Luizinho, Marinho Chagas; Batista; Dirceu Guimaraes; Reinaldo, Ze Sergio WEST GERMANY World class: Schumacher, Kaltz, KH.Forster, Stielike, Briegel, Schuster, Rummenigge, Littbarski International class: Stein, Dremmler, Augenthaler, Jakobs, Magath, Hans Muller, Allofs Formation: ------------------ Schumacher Kaltz ----– KH.Forster ----- Augenthaler ----- Briegel -------------------- Stielike ----------- Schuster ------------------------------ Magath ----- Rummenigge -------------- Allofs ---------- Littbarski Subs: Stein; Dremmler, Jakobs; Bernd Förster; Hans Muller; Abramczik, Dieter Muller ITALY World class: Scirea, Tardelli, Antognoni, Conti, Rossi International class: Gentile, Collovati, Cabrini, Oriali, Bagni, Altobelli, Graziani Formation: ------------------ Bordon Gentile ---- Collovati ---- Scirea ---- Cabrini ------------------- Oriali ----------- Tardelli ----------------------------- Antognoni ----- Conti ------------- Rossi -------- Altobelli Subs: Tancredi; Vierchowood, Maldera; Bagni; Dossena; Fanna, Graziani ARGENTINA World class: Fillol, Passarella, Ardiles, Bochini, Maradona, Kempes International class: Olguin, Tarantini, Gallego, Alonso, Bertoni, Ramon Diaz Formation: ------------------ Fillol Olguín --- Trossero --- Passarella --- Tarantini ------------------- Gallego ------------ Ardiles ------- Bochini -------------- Maradona ------------- R.Diaz ----- Kempes Subs: D’Alessandro; Olarticoechea, Mouzo; Barbas; Alonso; Bertoni, Gareca I pick Argentina as the 4th strongest side in this period, because they were the WC holders & their high numbers of class players.
WC Spain 1982 Others NTs generations around 1982 SOVIET UNION: Khidiatullin, Chivadze, Demianenko, Buryak, Cherenkov, Andreev, Shengelia, Belanov, Blokhin ENGLAND: Shilton, Clemence, Thompson, Butcher, Sansom, Robson, Hoddle, Francis, Keegan POLAND: Mlynarczik, Zmuda, Wojcicki, Majewski, Boniek, Buncol, Smolarek BELGIUM: Pfaff, Gerets, Renquin, Vercauteren, Vandereycken, Coeck, Ceulemans, Vandenberg FRANCE: Battiston, Janvion, Bossis, Bathenay, Fernandez, Genghini, Tigana, Giresse, Platini, Rocheteau, Six AUSTRIA: Koncilia, Obermayer, Pezzey, Weber, Prohaska, Schachner, Krankl .
Re: WC Spain 1982 D'Alessandro made his debut in 2000, he was not playing in 1982. Also, Bertoni was a starter over Diaz, and at that point Kempes was no longer world class while Bertoni possibly still was.
Re: WC Spain 1982 The keeper i mentioned, was Jorge D'Alessandro, who had a good career in La Liga. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_D'Alessandro About the three forwards, only Ramon Diaz was a striker, Kempes & Bertoni were Second Strikers.
What are the World Class players of the early era? You started with the World Class/International Class distinction in 1948...
Re: WC Spain 1982 Can you do one that's current? I'll start with Argentina. Argentina World Class: Messi, Tevez, Mascherano, Zanetti, Samuel, Higuain, Pastore, Aguero International Class: Banega, Fazio, Forlin, Romero, Biglia, Lavezzi, Di Maria, Perotti, Belluschi, D'Alessandro, Zabaleta, Moralez, Otamendi, Yacob, L Lopez, D Milito, Cambiasso, Gago
Re: WC Spain 1982 msioux doesn't use the actual lineup, but rather the best players available for the country from age 22 - 30 (Bocchini was 29 years old) This was already adressed a few times in the thread see post #30 and #82.
In fact is very subjective, rate the player from different eras. At first, i thought rating players according their own era. Finally, i decided something like this: World class ---> Legends, who are All Time Top-100 material International class ---> Star players in their era (Top-100 material in their era) For pre-war era, i could name World class, IMO. Woodward, Scarone, Andrade, Nasazzi, Samitier, James, Seoane, Orsi, Binder, Sastre, Meazza, Moreno, Matthews For non top-4 sides: Schlosser, Sindelar, Leonidas, etc.
WC Mexico 86 Top-Ten NTs around 1986 These are the best ELO coefficients for NTs between 1985-87: FRANCE = 2016 ARGENTINA = 2004 BRASIL = 1997 ENGLAND = 1976 SOVIET UNION = 1969 DENMARK = 1960 SPAIN = 1953 W.GERMANY = 1950 E.GERMANY = 1894 URUGUAY = 1856 Closer level: with +/-100 points lower. Sweden, Italia, Chile, Hungary, Mexico, Netherlands, Romania, Scotland, Belgium, Paraguay
WC Mexico 86 Top-4 FRANCE World class: Amoros, Papin International class: Bats, Battiston, Fernandez, Genghini, Casoni Formation: -------------------- Bats Ayache ---- Le Roux ---- Battiston ---- Amoros --------- Casoni-------- Fernandez ----- Genghini ------------------ Vercruysse ----------- Stopyra ------- Papin Subs: Ettori; Domergue, Tusseau; Durand; Ferreri; C.Perez, Bellone ARGENTINA World class: Ruggeri, Maradona International class: Pumpido, Brown, Batista, Barbas, Burruchaga, Marcico, R.Diaz, Gareca Formation: ---------------- Pumpido Clausen --- Ruggeri --- Brown --- Olarticoechea --------- Batista ---------- Barbas --- Burruchaga ------------------ Maradona -------- Calderon ---------- R.Diaz Subs: Falcioni; Simón, Garré; Giusti; Marcico; Borghi, Gareca BRAZIL World class: Branco, Careca International class: Leandro, Julio Cesar, Ricardo Rocha, Mozer, Dunga, Alemao, Valdo, Renato Gaucho, Reinaldo, Eder Formation: ------------------------ Carlos Leandro ----- Julio Cesar ----- R.Rocha ----- Branco ------------ Dunga -------- Alemao ------ Geovani ---------------------- Valdo --- Renato G------------ Careca Subs: Gilmar; Josimar, Mozer; Elzo; Tita; Reinaldo, Eder SOVIET UNION World class: Dasaev, Cherenkov International class: Bessonov, Khidiatullin, Demianenko, Aleinikov, Zavarov, Mikhailichenko, Belanov Formation: -------------------- Dasaev Bessonov --- Khidiatullin --- O.Kuznetsov --- Demianenko ---------- Aleinikov ---- Litovchenko ----- Zavarov -------------------- Cherenkov ----------- Protasov ---------- Belanov Subs: Viktor Chanov; Baltacha, Rats; Yaremchuk; Yakovenko, Mikhailichenko; Shengelia I pick Soviet Union as the 4th strongest side in this period, because its high numbers of class players.
WC Mexico 86 Others NTs generations around 1986 ENGLAND: V.Anderson, G.Stevens, Butcher, Sansom, Pearce, Robson, Hoddle, Waddle, Lineker, Barnes DENMARK: Sivebaek, I.Nielsen, Heintze, Lerby, Arnesen, Jesper Olsen, Eljkaer Larsen, M.Laudrup SPAIN: Buyo, Arconada, Maceda, Goikotxea, Gordillo, Victor M, Señor, Michel, Carrasco, Bakero, Butragueño W.GERMANY: Schumacher, Stein, Förster, Buchwald, Augenthaler, Brehme, Matthaus, Schuster, Völler, Allofs, Littbarski E.GERMANY: R.Müller, D.Stahmann, J.Stübner, A.Trautmann, R.Ernst, T.Gütschow URUGUAY: R.Rodriguez, De Leon, N.Gutierrez, D.Pereira, Francescoli, R.Paz, Aguilera, Alzamendi
Re: WC Spain 1982 The purpose of this thread is to look at history and appreciate it. There are other threads for current issues. Argentina would be the best out of the current lot. Spain and Germany would be next. Italy would be lucky to make the Top 10.
Until now, France 86' generation was the most injured selection. Since most of their real stars by then, were 30 years older, most of them doesn't make the list. BTW, the 86' generations from most teams, were weaker comparing another generations, IMO. I think most of NTs go to WC'86 in an intergenerational change of players.
And yet, imho, since 1982 when I seriously followed my first World Cup I feel Mexico '86 was the best of the lot. As each tournament has passed I've gained a greater appreciation for that tournament.
indeed, In a FIFA World Cup (TM) with the lowest goals per game average, 2.21 (WC2010 was 2nd with 2.27 LOL) the most penalties taken (including shoot outs) 4 shootupt games (in 8 games with extra time) and the highest fouls per game rate thanksto the relaxation rule at times ... to sum up with only 169 YC WOW
I disagree. Those players had big names and had big reputations at club level. The problem was that a lot of stars failed on the big stage. The quality was there but they didn't show it.
Who were the big names in great form there/? Maradona was nearly 30 ...slower Mathaus was just DM (who surprised people at that cup) Baggio was not yet a big star Klinsman was just a very good striker or maybe you meant the veteran Roger Mila? LOL
He never mentioned great form so Marco Van Basten, Ruud Gullti, Frank Rijkaard. Voting for 1978 as the WC with the least big name players.
He came 4th and 6th in the two previous Ballon d'Or awards (1988 & 89) and was a key player in helping Inter win Serie A in 1989, so I don't think he was that much of a surprise. He was also a regular scorer, both in Germany and Italy (including 11 in 25 Serie A games in the 1989/90 season, double figures in 6 of the 7 seasons before the World Cup) so I'm not sure where the DM part comes from either.
Don't get me wrog, Mathauss was easily the best player in that WC and he did great ! my "surprised" = not many expected him to shine especially from his deep position. Not the same "surprised" of TOTO (Schilacci) = "one time wonder" The three Holland muskateers (Basten Gullit Rijkaard) were the most dispappointed in that WC - 2goals/3games and 0 win games! Many expected that tournament should have belonged to them! History .... now
Who was surprised? He went into the tournament as arguably the world's best goalscoring midfielder on the back of two excellent seasons with Inter. He was the epitome of a box to box midfielder at the time.