Greatest forward till Puskas's/Pele's appearance

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Zlatko2010, Apr 22, 2013.

  1. Zlatko2010

    Zlatko2010 Member

    Mar 16, 2013
    Who is the greatest forward till the time when Puskas/Pele started played playing? Let's define it for once and forever. Bican, Sindlear, Moreno, Scarone, Zizinho, Friedenreich, Meazza? or some other?
     
  2. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    more names good scoring record in Leonidas, Ademir , Kocsis and Juste Fontaine ...
     
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  3. Zlatko2010

    Zlatko2010 Member

    Mar 16, 2013
    How would you rate them? Should it be like 1.Meazza/Bican 2. Others?
     
  4. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Not really ... I have not enough info to rate them ...
    However,
    1- in term of "SCORING" power: (but not lack of style and techniques like Puskas/Pele):
    Leonidas > Meazza= Ademir > Juste fontaine = Kocsis > Biscan = Freidenrich

    2- in term of playmaking/stylish or overall best player:
    Moreno, Scarone, Leonidas, Zizinho, Varella, Meazza were the TOP names ... and it's hard to rate them correctly.
     
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  5. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    In 1943 G.O. Smith declared that Nuts Cobbold was first among all the forwards he had ever seen. That is high praise for me.
     
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  6. frasermc

    frasermc Take your flunky and dangle

    Celtic
    Scotland
    Jul 28, 2006
    Newcastle-Upon-Tyne
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    A serious lack of forwards from the UK when a large proportion of the timeframe requested in the title falls into the pre war era and earlier.

    You have to take into account that the UK was leading the way then and yet not one British player is mentioned in the first 4 posts...
     
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  7. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Moreno came in second in a poll in Argentina for its greatest player, only behind Maradona. That should put him somewhere at the very top of this list. Here's my top dozen:

    Moreno
    Scarone
    Sindelaar
    Meazza
    Kocsis
    Leonidas
    Friendenreich
    Bican
    Zizinho
    Finney
    Erico
    Gomez
    Lostau

    Not including players such as Schiaffino, Pedernera, Matthews, who were more attacking mids in my opinion.
     
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  8. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich
    Let's not forget Dr. Sarosi!

    GYÖRGY SAROSI

    Born: 16 September 1912.​

    Died: 20 June 1993.​

    Nick name: Gyuri, King of Football.​

    Position: Inside forward, center forward and center half.​

    Caps:
    61 (1931-1943) / 42 goals​

    League Games:
    383 (1930-1948) / 351 goals​

    Trophies & Tournaments:
    World Cup beaten finalist: 1938​
    World Cup participant: 1934, 1938​
    Mitropa Cup: 1937​
    Hungarian Champion: 1932, 1934, 1938, 1940, 1941​
    Hungarian runner-up: 1935, 1937, 1939, 1944, 1945​
    Hungarian Cup winner: 1933, 1935, 1942, 1943, 1944, 1946​
    Hungarian Cup beaten finalist: 1931, 1932​
    Top Scorer Hungary: 1936, 1940, 1941​

    Dr. György Sarosi was one of the world’s greatest footballers between the two World Wars. During his career, he scored 393 goals for Hungary and his club Ferencvaros in 444 games over a period spanning 18 years (1930 to 1948). Of the great generation of Hungarians that came before the Magic Magyars of the 1950s, Sarosi led his teammates to the 1938 World Cup final in which his team lost to the defending champions Italy despite him scoring a goal. Possessing a superb technique and supreme football intelligence, Sarosi was a sophisticated person on and off the pitch, equally adept at playing center forward and at dropping back creating opportunities for his teammates as inside right or inside left and since he was also very strong in the air, Sarosi was known be a very good center half as well.​

    Sarosi played his first game for Hungary on May 21 1931 in Belgrade vs Yugoslavia, which the Magyars lost 2-3. His last game he played in November 1943 against Sweden (2-7 defeat). His personal highlight while playing for Hungary came on 19 September 1937, when he scored seven goals against Frantisek Planicka in Hungary’s 8-3 victory over World Cup runners-up Czechoslovakia. Sarosi played his first World Cup in 1934 but missed the first game vs. Egypt. In the second round against the strong Austrians Sarosi could not prevent a 1-2 defeat, scoring Hungary’s only goal. Things went better for the Magyars four years later, in the first round they crushed the Dutch East Indies 6-0 (two goals by Sarosi), then eliminated the Swiss by winning 2-1 (Sarosi scoring once). In the semi final, the Swedes were annihilated in a 5-1 rout (one goal by Sarosi) but in the final, they met an Italy side that proved too strong for them that day, but again Sarosi scored a goal in the 2-4 defeat, having thus managed to score in every World Cup game he played in (6 goals in 5 games).​

    Sarosi went on to play for Ferencvaros during the war, but left his country at the beginning of the communist era. He moved to the United States for a while but then decided to become a manager in Italy with no less a club than the mighty Juventus who he led to a Scudetto in 1952. Italy was to become his new home, changing his Christian name from György to Giorgio as well as becoming Italian citizen. He eventually died in Genoa in 1993 at the age of 80.​

    This profile was written with the help of this website.

    League Statistics per Season
    Season - Club - Games – Goals​
    1930/31 Ferencvaros Budapest ....................07 / 02
    1931/32 Ferencvaros Budapest ....................19 / 04
    1932/33 Ferencvaros Budapest ....................21 / 08
    1933/34 Ferencvaros Budapest ....................22 / 24
    1934/35 Ferencvaros Budapest ....................21 / 22
    1935/36 Ferencvaros Budapest ....................20 / 37
    1936/37 Ferencvaros Budapest ....................19 / 29
    1937/38 Ferencvaros Budapest ....................19 / 29
    1938/39 Ferencvaros Budapest ....................19 / 26
    1939/40 Ferencvaros Budapest ....................23 / 23
    1940/41 Ferencvaros Budapest ....................22 / 30
    1941/42 Ferencvaros Budapest ....................18 / 19
    1942/43 Ferencvaros Budapest ....................15 / 06
    1943/44 Ferencvaros Budapest ....................27 / 11
    1944/45 Ferencvaros Budapest ....................15 / 14
    1945...... Ferencvaros Budapest ....................18 / 16
    1945/46 Ferencvaros Budapest ....................32 / 31
    1946/47 Ferencvaros Budapest ....................29 / 15
    1947/48 Ferencvaros Budapest ....................19 / 05
     
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  9. RoyOfTheRovers

    Jul 24, 2009
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England



    [Along w/Cobbold & Smith; Roy Bentley, "Dixie" Dean, Ted Drake, Tommy Lawton, Stan Mortensen & "Viv" Woodward spring to mind amongst just the English centre-forwards (regardless of their type)...]
     
  10. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Jimmy McGrory and Hughie Gallacher from north of the border.
     
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  11. RoyOfTheRovers

    Jul 24, 2009
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England



    [Agreed, I hadn't got to the Scots yet, mate...

    Since people are all over the place as to who qualifies here; we also can't forget Peter Doherty of NI...]
     
  12. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Yeah Sarosi, Dixe Dean ... deserved a mention too ... (in term of 'great forwards and scoring goals)
     
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  13. RoyOfTheRovers

    Jul 24, 2009
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    If we're including wingers; Eric Brook of Man. City and England should get a mention IMO...
     
  14. RoyOfTheRovers

    Jul 24, 2009
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England



    [For frasermc and yourself: we can't forget the LEGENDARY Billy Liddell of Liverpool and Scotland...]
     
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