Greatest European footballers In football history

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by carlito86, Oct 24, 2018.

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Who are your favourite European legends

Poll closed Jul 20, 2021.
  1. Zinedine Zidane

    11 vote(s)
    21.2%
  2. Marco Van Basten

    5 vote(s)
    9.6%
  3. Roberto Baggio

    8 vote(s)
    15.4%
  4. Johan Cruyff

    27 vote(s)
    51.9%
  5. Cristiano Ronaldo

    11 vote(s)
    21.2%
  6. Micheal laudrup

    5 vote(s)
    9.6%
  7. Michel Platini

    10 vote(s)
    19.2%
  8. der Kaiser

    6 vote(s)
    11.5%
  9. Gerd Muller

    6 vote(s)
    11.5%
  10. George best

    4 vote(s)
    7.7%
  11. Dejan savicevic

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. Xavi Hernandez

    7 vote(s)
    13.5%
  13. Thierry Henry

    5 vote(s)
    9.6%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Zagallo was the 11th best player on his own team

    Bozsik won a World Cup?
    Van hanegem won a World Cup?

    Just make a t shirt with a logo saying football died when the Berlin Wall fell and it would be better for you

    I refuse to indulge in this madness
     
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  2. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
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    i don't have found major Titles ...So sorry de Bruyne .. !
     
  3. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Van Hanegem ...

    i like him ...


    by

    stronger personality
    leadership
    bravery
    mental aggression
    tackles
    marking

    but

    mainly ... by passing skills ...


    Long Range Balls ....
    Deeper Passing skills
    plays one-twos
    Crossing ..
    Vision
    First touch skills ...

    well played the Final in 1974 .. !





    Hungary

     
  4. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
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    Adeus amigo
     
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  5. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
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  6. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Clubs hahahahaha !! is not the same as National Teams sides !
     
  7. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  8. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    hahahaha !

    sim Vá com Deus e boa sorte ae hahaha !


    you're so funny at all . mate "!
     
  9. Letmepost

    Letmepost Member

    Arsenal
    South Korea
    Apr 11, 2023
    I think there are great tournament players. It is not the same exact list as great players. There needs to be a healthy appreciation of a player who can provide week-to-week excellence for years on end, even if that particular player lacks that tournament-of-a-lifetime which burns into the psyche of spectators. Otherwise, there is no need to play every week, and players can pace themselves with one mediocre performance after another, and just show-up to highly anticipated tournaments or high-stakes matches only.

    Vincent Kompany on the Difference Between Kevin De Bruyne and Eden Hazard

    Maybe Kevin De Bruyne could not differentiate himself from the rest, in less organized, national team matches, but there are elements of his career that far surpasses that of those who may stand above him in conventional all-timer lists. ESM Team of the Month appearances is not the be-all-end-all, but neither are big tournament performances for the national team.

    I agree that for a player's individual legacy and glamour, it is far better to shine in a couple of memorable tournaments. However, in terms of pragmatic value added for his team, competitively speaking, since the vast majority of the season-to-season schedule would be the forgottable week-to-week games that are not to be taken for granted in terms of points added, there is unmistakeable merit in being exceptional in that regard also.

    If we just add up all the competitive games (that require some level of showing up to produce a victory) of various legendary players, with no added weights for occasion, I think Kevin De Bruyne would have his fair share of excellent games at a rate that might surprise even the greats.
     
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  10. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    yes ... I know on de Bruyne's Assists and Pre-Assists .... great performances ...year after year


    i saw all the Assists already .... 305 assists ...something like that !



    Bundesliga .... Barclays Premier League .....


    he was my player already at Football Manager .. !
     
  11. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

     
  12. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    til the moment ... Top-50 all time ...for De Bruyne ... don't believe on this ...honestly ..


    but .. Top 100 until Top 200 all time yes ... De Bruyne ... is on there yes .
     
  13. Letmepost

    Letmepost Member

    Arsenal
    South Korea
    Apr 11, 2023
    #1963 Letmepost, May 20, 2025
    Last edited: May 20, 2025
    I would say it depends on how you measure his body of work, because I do think the Manchester City system somewhat masked his deficiencies, allowing him to accrue ESM Team of the Month awards more-so than his sheer individualy ability would normally allow, but on the other hand, he was unleashed by that particular system to such devastating degrees that I am not sure whether you can easily look over them.

    We cannot isolate a player's excellence under certain systems, and pretend it is that player's individual ability in its totality, but we also should not ignore the potency of that player's heights under those conditional settings.

    Kevin De Bruyne probably would struggle to match the excellence of many legendary players if placed into their particular sets of circumstances, but I personally struggle to name many players who would thrive as much as Kevin De Bruyne in terms of his productivity under his maybe fortunate-sets-of-circumstances, as he had really good levels of stamina, excellence in delivery (from both feet), and when given the space and time to display his amazing assets, was basically an assist and pre-assist creating machine. There might be players who might be able to match the quality of the delivery with both feet, but not probably not in conjunction with his off-the-ball intelligence, stamina, and speed to find the spaces to deliver them from.
     
  14. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
  15. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
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  16. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
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    Despots,Drugs,bribery,cheating and rigging

    I rather watch Goodfellas than this crappy World Cup movie
     
  17. Frank73

    Frank73 Member

    Inter Milan
    Brazil
    Mar 22, 2025
    Italy
    #1967 Frank73, May 20, 2025
    Last edited: May 20, 2025

    Plus: Harald "Tony" Schumacher got to be completely marginalized within german football community after publishing a memoir where he clearly stated that german NT players had been doping-enhanced all along the 80s.
    Plus: Some brazilian players, especially Branco, were drug-stunned by the argentinian staff during match Argentina vs Brasil at WC 90. Brazilian players would approach the benches at game stops to get some water, and argentinians would give them water bottles containing Roipnol.
    Branco claimed he felt his legs like melting.
    Plus: reportedly, there have been orders from FIFA directive group towards referees to penalize Warsaw-pact NTs at WC82 (except western conutries dear Poland). Soviet Union was denied a couple of clearly deserved penalties in their debut match against Brazil.
     
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  18. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    the Johan Cruyff ... won What for Netherlands National Team Side til today == equals nothing ???????
     
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  19. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    No im not

    No im not

    :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
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  20. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

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    74 West Germany ESPN Deportes[41] [​IMG] Johan Cruyff — —


    World Cup: A Statistical Summary.... [​IMG] Johan Cruyff [​IMG] Franz Beckenbauer ......... Kazimierz Deyna by FIFA ....


    Sofascore[42] [​IMG] Johan Cruyff [​IMG] Kazimierz Deyna .......... Ronnie Hellström


    Castrol Football[25] [​IMG] Johan Cruyff [​IMG] Grzegorz Lato ............... Kazimierz Deyna


    Clarín [​IMG] Johan Cruyff
     
  21. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    That’s a trophy Johan Cruyff won for Johan Cruyff

    NOT for the Netherlands

    Oh my gosh mate

    OH MY GOD

    You are really something else
     
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  22. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #1972 carlito86, May 20, 2025
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    Amazing send off for KDB





    Best farewell ceremony remains this though

    begins at 2:41
     
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  23. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    @Isaías Silva Serafim
     
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  24. Letmepost

    Letmepost Member

    Arsenal
    South Korea
    Apr 11, 2023



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    With great players reaching monumental moments, comes interesting factoids and narratives. The best player in the league during his stay.
     
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  25. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
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    This a video comp of Cesc fabregas at Arsenal
    Cesc Fabregas left Arsenal at 24 years old

    For me the most gifted passer of the ball I’ve seen in my life
     

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