Greatest European footballers In football history

Wheres gazza or Paul Scholes. Both better than dejan savicevic

 

GoaT-Episode #4: Wir sprechen mit @SergiXaviniesta über Johan Cruijff, die wichtigste Figur des modernen Fußball-Sports aus taktikanalytischer Perspektive! Ob er unsere Meinung nach zu den besten Fußballspielern aller Zeiten gehört, hört ihr hier: https://t.co/KuWFDg4hJu pic.twitter.com/bmsLclpID5

— falschezehn (@falschezehnde) May 12, 2021

Johan Cruijff - GoaT-Kandidat #4 - falscheredn https://t.co/TtPwqiKDs3 #podcast

— Sauze (@Sauze7) May 13, 2021

LOL, these clowns don't rate Cruijff as a top 10 player candidate and (predictably) give a lot of the credits Michels.

As can be expected from someone who has also written largely negative sum ups of Neeskens, Krol, Rijkaard, Van Basten ("Klinsmann equally good"), Van der Sar, Robben and the others bar Davids and Bergkamp. In contrast to many other players of other countries they all get huge reservations attached.

Little wonder there is a free license to hack down Holland players whenever they threaten to become too good and dangerous. The forces are strong.

 

What bullshit are you talking about again? I just listened to that Podcast and there's no word about him not being a Top 10 candidate. They have so far only examined four players (Pele, Di Stefano, Beckenbauer and Cruyff) and their consensus is that Pele and Di Stefano rank ahead of Cruyff and then comes Beckenbauer of the players so far examined.

Regarding Michels: they said outside of the founding years of football history, Cruyff is the most crucial man in the development of football. They give Michels his due but in no way do they argue that it is Michels' that deserves an equal amount of credit. They are very clear about that, stating Cruyff's Barca in the 1990s being clearly a few steps ahead of anything Michels did come up with tactically.

This is really getting out of hand with your imagined-anti Dutch conspiracy myth that you're spreading around here reliably for years.

Either your German is not adequate and you misheard what they said or you're banking on people in this forum not being able to follow a German-language podcast and thus nobody checking whether the bullshit claims you made about that podcast are actually true.

Here's one quote about Cruyff from that podcast:

Creative genius, physical genius, philosophical genius

And you're still crying?

 

For starters, you really overlook where Busquets, Xavi, Puskas and Cristiano Ronaldo are placed in the blogs and the podcasts.

This was six years ago:

@robbro7 @ademir2z For now, my Top 10 would be: Messi, Pelé, Di Stefano, Beckenbauer, Maradona, Xavi, Cruyff, Puskas, G.Müller & Busquets.

— Football Arguments (@SergiXaviniesta) October 11, 2015

But you know what: you have won. I'm done here.

I didn't contribute all that much anymore anyway.

I see it as a compliment you can be occasionally bothered to reply my perceived nonsense and not to the nonsense of all the other posters.

 

Wait, is that guy saying he considered Sergio Busquets a Top 10 Player of All Time???

The depths these football hipsters can go

 

I know this guy. He is a pseudo-intellectual Barca fan. He is no football analyst or something. His understanding of depths of the game is ridiculously low .
Also he don't have any understanding of the change in circumstances , landscapes between footballing eras.
He digs up lot of old seasons and footballers from pasts , but its kind of like general knowledge or overview .It seems he lacks depth and as i said before, he lacks context , understanding of situations etc
He has other similiar stupid takes

 

One very typical thing about that podcast episode is the repeat of the observation Cruijff had only one dribbling goal on tape in his entire career, the one against lowly MVV in 1981-82 is meant there (the host replies with another dribbling goal against Real Madrid and the halfway line dribble for the penalty in the 1974 final).

This is evidently wrong. It is certainly more than one or two. From 1966 against Feyenoord to 1983 against Liverpool, and the two in the NASL pub league. If people then still think Pelé had more of these conclusions - I don't object or disagree (necessarily).

Now, everyone makes factual mistakes, but this was already pointed out by some other comments before, when on the blog the same claim was made about "one dribbling goal".

https://footballarguments.wordpress.com/2016/08/30/team-of-the-decade-1970-1980/
(comment bottom of the page)

Many things are open to interpretation, perception and opinions but this is evidently incorrect, and the news had been transmitted.

 

Personally, I rate Zidane ahead of Cruyff.
Cristiano and Zidane are a similar tier, difference being that the former has better longevity, and the latter more ability and a better Euro campaign.

 

I've listened to the whole stuff again and this is nasty (typical southern German - no wonder narrow minded Polish strikers/people are a good fit there).

This is how the host ranked it; it is not how the guest, the Lukas Tank guy placed it, who then also made a few other claims (most obviously the verifiable claim of "one dribbling goal", as mentioned above, an error that had been pointed out before - many things are open to interpretation and subjectivity but this is not). Actually the host himself - who made this ordering - instantly memorized a Real Madrid dribbling goal and then also the halfway line dribble at the World Cup final.

Alright, this is generally true, although Michels is by the guest placed down as the originator. They could have pointed out Michels won very little (or "near wins") without the other. But fair enough, it's no difference with the domestic takes.

One peculiarity is here the dominant foreign stereotype - it's always at the background in the observers mind but only gets attached to the actual results when things go spectacularly wrong, and not when it goes reasonably well or very well, when on paper stronger teams are beaten (then it's solely because of the manager, not because of real-or-not player input or 'player democracy').

In the early years (long before I was here) you were frequently arguing against them. This was when the stock of these players and then-retired players was much higher. This pattern hasn't gone away.

These sort of ideas have infiltrated things as the Ballon d'Or dream team and the '100 best players of the 21st century' with no player among the best 35 (well below all other second tier footballing countries, and e.g. England making the top 20 with more than one).

The UEFA clearly has been actively plotting for marginalization with their Conference League nonsense as new ploy - and there is also now a history of world class players getting recklessly hacked down and then your Basile Boli, ankle breaking Chiellini, Diaby or Pickford receive nothing, not even a yellow. No retroactive punishment (which has happened in other cases and will happen if it is Neymar or Harry Kane).

It is more like you as original detractor is crying. See also your zero reps/likes in the thread when he died compared to when Maradona went away.

 

This is what you claimed.
That was wrong. They never said that.

I don't care for these guys and their podcast, but it must be pointed out that they never made such an outlandish claim.

You can focus on dozens other things (Maradona's deaths, Cruyff's death, Ballon d'Or, more than one JC dribble goal) but even after re-watching that podcast you cannot stand by your claim that they didn't rate Cruyff as a top 10 player candidate. That's a claim no self-respecting football podcast guy would ever make yet you claimed they did and that had to be corrected.

 

George Best es un crack


por cierto gran post, a mi que me gusta el futbol me he creado en el PES2016 varios jugadores de las generaciones pasadas y la actual las promesas toda esta informacion me sirve para seguir creando

 

I still maintain that Barcelona should've signed him during the MSN era. He would've fitted in so well, tactically.