Greater Performances of the 50's, 60's 70's 80s and 90's

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Wiliam Felipe Gracek, Nov 14, 2025.

  1. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    well, Isaias Serafim

    I don't know if you're very very familiar with the terminology used by professional soccer Head-coaches or Football Managers in general .


    I'll start by talking about AC Milan under Arrigo Sacchi 1987-1991 .






    Attacking Set-Pieces :


    My note is 10/10 on this


    This AC Milan team under Arrigo Sacchi was perfect at attacking set-pieces. Certainly one of the high points of this incredible team.


    Arrigo Sacchi correctly varied both or equally the set-piece hitters, Target Point, and also Targetman.

    switching correctly always

    Near Post, Six Yards Area Zone, Far Post
    Penalty box spot-line
    zone 14
    and
    shoots from distance zone the target-points ...

    alternating corner-kick takers Evani
    Roberto Donadoni

    came shorter taking

    Mauro Tassotti

    Ruud Gullit

    Really attacking set pieces; truly the most powerful play of this AC Milan team;

    bordering on perfection.





    Defending Set-Pieces ........ :


    My note is 8.5/10 on this






    Here...

    Like Marco Van Basten, Frank Rijkaard, and mainly Ruud Gullit were very very powerful at Headers Won %
    as always .



    The starting point is very very good... in this team metric.

    Although

    I don't agree with Arrigo Sacchi... about using an athlete... to marking the goal-posts or postsbar.


    This same player could be used to Marking :

    Near Post
    Six Yards Area
    Far Post
    Penalty spot-line
    or
    Shoots from distance Zone

    even more+++++ so because using a player to mark the goalposts will always leave the opponents in a position to be onside always in the Area .




    Build up phase, Control Possession,
    dictating the pace of the match
    game's construction and
    play out of defense :
    :



    My note is 9.3/10 on this



    ...........
    ..


    In this respect, AC Milan 1987-1991, on a highly inspired day, could give a masterclass, over Pep Guardiola's best Barcelona.


    in the sense that this Ac Milan had more of a mentality looking for a vertical passes and diagonal passes.

    as in the Goal against Juventus Turin ..1988/1989 season Serie A Calcio

    Mannari's Goal..











    Often, Guardiola's Barcelona... when they were playing badly...

    they would pass the ball around...

    but they wouldn't attack the opposing teams vertically.



    although

    Guardiola's team

    due to the generally low physical gravity of the players' bodies

    the Team worked best in tighter spaces than this Ac Milan 1987-1991.

    Messi plays better than Marco van Basten.

    at Plays one-twos and narrower spaces .


    In contrast

    AC Milan... varied more...+++++++

    in the play-out of defense

    Long throw-ins........... with Giovanni Galli ...

    to hit the goal kick
    for Gullit to win the headers won %%

    going out with the defenders also ....

    Guardiola's teams

    are afraid...
    of the Headers Won %


    This AC Milan... worked the ball patiently, too.



    Likes another Flank
    LOng Range Balls ...
    PLays one-twos ...narrower
    Killer Balls .....

    yes it was complete
     
  2. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



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    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

     
  4. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Isaias Serafim said :

    South America:



    Santos 60s

    I agree with you yes, the best south american Team of the Century XX by FIFA



    Peñarol 60s ........ yes ......... I agree with you



    Independiente 70s............. yes .......


    La Maquina late 40s/early 50s.............yes ..........



    Expresso da vitória late 40s/early 50s............. yes .... good marks


    Flamengo late 70s/early 80s..............yes


    São Paulo early 90s................yes ...........


    Boca Juniors early 00s

    No ,



    Although it was a great football team yes

    very experienced


    But this Team won many many titles through match-fixing schemes and bribed referees.

    The referees were completely corrupt and stolen matches for this Boca Juniors 2000s .


    Botafogo late 50s/early 60s.............. yes ...

    The core of the Brazilian national team from 1958 to 1962.



    Palmeiras Academia 60s and 70s.......................... yes ................also

    But there are several other teams that are neck and neck with this Palmeiras.


    Europe:



    Barcelona 10s................yes ...........



    Real Madrid late 50s....................yes..........


    Ajax early 70s..............................yes.............
    Milan late 80s/early 90s..................yes...............
    Real Madrid 10s..........................yes .....................


    Juventus late 90s.....................NO.....


    Juventus 1982-1986 ...

    Inter Milan ............ 1963-1972 .......

    slightly better


    Bayern mid 70s................yes............


    Bayern 10s................................no...........



    Honved early 50s...........................No ...........

    has much more complete teams than Honved ..........



    Hungary national team side represents it better .............HUngarian Football

    and receives one super ..yes ..........on my view ........



    Liverpool late 70s/early 80s........................... yes .........

    But Liverpool .... 2017-2020 ............. Klopp .... is neck to neck also ....

    maybe better ....as a Team ... " mentality "






    ManUtd late 90s/early 00s and late 00s.......................... yes ............ super yes ........ "!
     
  5. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    @otonielsantos9722
    há 2 meses
    O que este cara jogou de bola não é brincadeira. Tem moral para falar o que quiser.
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    @JogavaDemais
    há 2 meses
    Exato, ainda mais desses pé duro de hoje.
    4







    @marcelocolle1002há 2 meses
    Menos na seleção
    1







    @alexandrealvesdossantos8356
    há 2 meses
    @marcelocolle1002 jogou muito na seleção, porém perdeu um gol na copa de 90 e isso pesou.
    2







    @reserved_86
    há 2 meses (editado)
    @marcelocolle1002 e daí? O Zico não fez muito também não e o Zico tá na prateleira de cima.
    2







    @marcelocolle1002
    há 2 meses
    @reserved_86Comparar Muller com Zico, hahaha tá bom então







    @alexandrealvesdossantos8356
    há 2 meses (editado)
    @marcelocolle1002 Zico não ganhou nada na seleção também e Muller foi tetra e deveria ser titular
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    @aeionmarks1426
    há 1 mês
    @marcelocolle1002 em 86 Pegou uma época de reformulação da seleção na fase dele , teve muitos bons momentos em 88 e nas elimatorias 89 Craque mesmo só tinha ele Careca, e Alemão. O resto era sofrível , culminou com a derrota histórica pra Argentina em 90. Porém foi Tetra Campeão com a seleção de 94.







    @marcelocolle1002
    há 1 mês
    @aeionmarks1426 sem.nem entrar em campo







    @krauserwolfgang4834
    há 3 semanas
    @marcelocolle1002 Zico foi um ninguém na seleção, representatividade zero, jogador de flamengo só isso, não conseguiu nada na Europa, passeava ai no brasileirão da vida, se fosse alguém tinha pelo menos umas 3 ou 4 libertadores ou 4 mundiais de clubes, ganho uma unica vez sofrido e ainda quer falar do Muller que deu duas libertadores e 2 mundiais pro são paulo, quase conseguiu ganhar 3 libertadores seguidas, não tem nem que argumentar sobre isso perca de tempo, Muller > Zico fácil, fácil!







    @marcelocolle1002
    há 3 semanas
    @krauserwolfgang4834 Muller jogou onde na Europa ?
     
  6. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

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    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

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  8. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5LruWyikILc




    It's very very funny in this video on my view hahaha
    that this Cristiano Ronaldo's fan
    simply
    ate up
    Marcelo, the journalist, a Barcelona sycophant and bootlicker.

    Marcelo even started stuttering several times, hahahaha.

    Honestly, I don't like this Marcelo...
    He always defends the Catalan agenda.

    Honestly

    He doesn't know anything about football. Really.
     
  9. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    Since you're younger than me, you might be able to answer this question better.than me on my view

    Honestly, a few days ago I was totally shocked by the number of comments saying that Jay Jay Okocha was the best player in the world from 1992 to 1994 years

    Well, honestly, in my time playing football and looking Football ,



    Jay Jay was known for making so many many unnecessary and aimless dribbles on the flanks .

    He scored very very few goals and made little real difference in matches at PSG and Bolton.


    My question is:

    Why does your current generation keep praising Jay Jay so much

    as if he were truly a God of World Football???



    are You Guys sick people really ?????

    I honestly don't understand this love for Jay Jay ?????
     
  10. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    The most damning statistic I have ever seen


    If it wasn’t from OPTA I’d probably say that it was complete fiction that any professional footballer could take 137 shots on goal in a single season and fail to score even once.

    Overrated is overrated and if greatness is measured in rainbow flicks then this sport becomes a circus.
     
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  11. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Why does this current generation

    love and fawn over

    Jay Jay Okocha

    honestly
    I can't understand it

    are they people addicted to magical dribbles

    or

    is there some problem
    with current society???





    They say Jay Jay was better than Pelé too.

    They say Jay Jay was better than Pelé too.


    Jay Jay, the best in the world
    in 1992
    1993
    and
    1994

    for them

    for the dribbles on Oliver Kahn ?????
     
  12. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nobody says Jay Jay was better than Pelé not even his fans.


    And if someone somewhere does, they probably mean he was better at rainbow flicks. Maybe he was. Even if he was who cares?


    I might be underselling him slightly, as he had more to his game than just tricks. He was for example a good passer.


    But as a midfielder, if he couldn’t pass the ball at a reasonably high standard he wouldn’t have had any career in Europe’s top five leagues at all.



    The real question is when was he ever considered a top 10 player in the world?

    Never

    Did he ever win a league title,champions league or UEFA Cup in his career?

    No


    In 1994 Nigeria won the AFCON
    Okocha was a bit part player in this tournament only playing a full 90 minutes once and he registered 0 goals and 0 assists in the entire tournament.

    His teammate Rashidi Yekini was voted Player of the Tournament.

    Rashidi Yekini - Wikipedia

    Rashidi Yekini was the most prolific African born goalscorer in history(excluding Eusebio of course)




    In 1996 Nigeria won the Olympics
    They beat a very strong Brazilian side in the semi final and a fairly mediocre Argentina team in the final

    Kanu was voted Nigerian Footballer of the Year.
    Kanu: The lanky boy who shook the world at Atlanta ‘96 | Goal.com UK



    Jay Jay gets a free pass into all time conversations largely because he played with Ronaldinho at PSG and was supposedly his “mentor” with Ronaldinho later “mentoring” Messi.


    Fairy tales.


    The same fans who elevate Jay Jay Okocha to a near mythical status are often the same ones who argue that Mágico González deserves to be considered an all time great footballer.


    González was an ’80s player, so this tendency to overhype technically gifted players with mediocre end product can’t even be dismissed as a modern phenomenon.


    Between 1963 and 1972 Mané Garrincha scored 8 goals according to Wikipedia
    Garrincha - Wikipedia
     
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  13. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    For the First time in History

    yes , I agree with you in every-point that you have touched from this time Into the Topics


    Total madness from these fans

    from these types of players
    " jugglers "



    Totally insane minds . "!
     
  14. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    current football fans

    are mentally ill by the way


    They don't know

    the BAB of Football

    what a metric is
    what an Attribute is
    what a Role is
    what a trait is
    what a Tactical awareness is
    has no discernment whatsoever.


    Football or dribbling skills are like drugs for these guys

    They become addicted to it.
     
  15. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    yes,

    They confuse Professional Football with Free-Style Battles !
     
  16. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    Look,

    I have nothing against Dribbles' attempts or dribbles completed .


    Recently

    I was watching
    the entire matches

    of Dennis Bergkamp

    with the Dutch national football team side

    his first matches for the Dutch national team
    with Ruud Gullit and Van Basten...... playing together

    honestly

    Gullit

    is the only Dutch player
    who attempted to complete dribbles in these matches 1990-1991-1992 .... before of Euro-Cup 1992
    years


    against

    Portugal Away-game.............. 1990

    Portugal Home-Game.............. 1991


    Poland ..Home-game ..friendly.... 1990


    Finland ...Home-game .... 1991

    Malta ..Home-game.............1991

    Malta ..Away-game.................. 1990 ...

    here .. Roy, Bergkamp and Van Basten tried also

    Austria ...Home-game



    It's disappointing

    that Bergkamp
    and Van Basten

    attempted so few dribbles in these matches

    mainly Bergkamp

    playing as a Shadow Striker, Second Striker, or

    Left or Right Winger playmaker...

    ...

    It ends up getting kind of boring for players

    elegant robots playing
     
  17. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    " The same fans who elevate Jay Jay Okocha to a near mythical status are often the same ones who argue that Mágico González deserves to be considered an all time great footballer. "


    yes

    Djalminha and Juan Riquelme also Carlito 86 ! 90's 00's ........ ....etc..etc..etc...
     
  18. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

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    Would you include Harry Kane in this special group ???????
     
  19. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    Would you include Harry Kane in this special group?




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