Grant Wahl explains Wolff and Johnson transfer situations

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by cpwilson80, Sep 5, 2006.

  1. wolfp10

    wolfp10 Member

    Sep 25, 2005
    Excellent article.

    Wahl is superior to that hack of a journalist Trecker.
     
  2. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Somebody remember this for the next time that someone foolishly says that owners have no control over their teams in the single-entity model.
     
  3. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Somebody remember this when Eddie Johnson leaves MLS on a free-transfer.
     
  4. Aljarov

    Aljarov Member

    Sep 14, 2004
    fmnorthamerica.com
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    This is more the exception than the rule, as trades like Peguero have shown that the league holds final say.

    The difference here was a new ownership group who had not yet been annouced.

    That's quite a reason to comply - especially when it's the red headed step child. MLS would have been foolish to do anything that pissed off OnGoal before the deal was annouced, as that deal helped everyone in MLS.

    I forgot to add that Wahl is amongst the elite soccer writers in the US. This was more good stuff.
     
  5. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
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    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He can't leave on a free until after the 2008 season.

    However, under the terms of his new deal, he can buy out his own contract for $4 million starting in January 2007 and become a free agent. Of course, he's not going to spend that money unless some team comes a-callin', offering him that money in return.

    And right now, it doesn't appear that they are.
     
  6. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
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    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If the Peguero is the rule and not the exception, why do we only hear about Peguero?

    On the other hand, I can name at least five players without trying at all, who are where they are because of ownership involvement.

    It seems to me that you're getting "exception" and "rule" mixed up.
     
  7. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    this, for me, sums up a lot of the issues in the debate:

    Hopefully Dempsey, Joseph and Johnson stay healthy, remain productive, and get good offers come January. Time will tell.
     
  8. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    ???

    I'll bet that's exactly what Real Sociedad was offering. Why else was it a loan with a sale option?

    Knowing this little nugget, the whole thing suddenly makes more sense.

    1. The loan-> sale makes sense for RS because they can try out EJ and see if he's worth $4M. $4M is alot of cash for clubs outside the EPL and outside the CL, so they'd want to take EJ out for a test drive.
    2. It makes sense that the owners nixed the deal, because to them it looks like RS takes away EJ during the stretch drive and playoffs for a free, extended, injury risking tryout.

    To the league that's a good deal, given the Jan 2007 out clause. To the club, it's not.
     
  9. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
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    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And you're basing this supposition on what exactly?
     
  10. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    :confused:

    It was a loan with a view to a sale. Such deals, so far as I know, always specify the sale price before the loan takes place. Given this clause, why would the sale price be higher (from RS' perspective) or lower (from MLS' perspective)?
     
  11. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    well, MLS was never guaranteed the $4 million buyout, so from their perspective they could settle for less, and still consider it profitable.

    couldn't they?
     
  12. nick

    nick Member+

    Nov 23, 1998
    Potomac Falls, Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is absolutely not the case. The Investor/Operators for their respective teams have the primary/final say in player signings and transfers.
     
  13. Aljarov

    Aljarov Member

    Sep 14, 2004
    fmnorthamerica.com
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    The very fact it happened at all tells you that the decision rests with the league. I think the new ownership position stands up as extenuating circumstances, and the reason why EJ is still here.
     
  14. Aljarov

    Aljarov Member

    Sep 14, 2004
    fmnorthamerica.com
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    A few things on this...

    Loans of top players are usually paid - think of them more as rentals than loans. Some are in the $m per year as loaners. Only youngsters are usually free loans, with or without wage contributions from the receiving team.

    Injuries are, however, always a risk.

    Also, they wouldn't necessarily have to buy out at $4m, my understanding is that this would be an option for EJ to release himself from the contract - any free agreed between MLS and the prospective club would supercede this and could be accepted....even if it were $100.
     
  15. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
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    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly.

    EJ might never exercise the buyout clause, so if MLS gets $3 million (just to pull a number out of the hat) right now, they might go for it, since they're making an educated guess that the $4 million might not ever be coming from EJ.
     
  16. Twellman20

    Twellman20 New Member

    Mar 5, 2006
    NJ
    If EJ would have gone to Real Sociedad and bomb then his value would be zero! Im glad the Wizards owners nix this deal. I dont understand why MLS would consider a loan because there is no guaranteed EJ will be successful. The only option for MLS is selling and try to get as much as they can guaranteed.
     
  17. Eastern Bear

    Eastern Bear Member+

    Feb 27, 1999
    Great Falls, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    I'm glad all four of the mentioned players are not going overseas. In regards to Johnson, we only have to look at Ben Olsen to see what can happen on a loan to buy deal. Fortunately, Olsen recovered. Dempsy and Jospeh are a little trickier because they don't make much money. I would guess those guys are gone after their contracts expire unless MLS offers up big cash pretty soon.
     
  18. kebzach

    kebzach Member

    Dec 30, 2000
    Greenfield, WI
    Somebody remind Knave that owners are free to make their own decisions, good and bad.
     
  19. OU9601

    OU9601 Member

    Jul 12, 2003
    Lancaster, Ohio
    Galarcep's ESPN.com article about MLS transfers from Sept 1


    While MLS might have initiated the conversation, apparently NYRB had no problem with the move. JPP wasn't taken against NYRB's will, despite what good copy that story makes.
     
  20. Aljarov

    Aljarov Member

    Sep 14, 2004
    fmnorthamerica.com
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England

    That's my kind of rebuttle and I'll stand firmly corrected.

    Where's my thumbs up icon?

    Good, apparently NYRB have got some sense....$800k for Peg was a good price.
     
  21. crusio

    crusio New Member

    May 10, 2004
    Princeton
    If I am not mistaken Red Bull didn't want to trade JPP.

    But he's gone.

    EDIT: Skip it, U already answered to this..
     
  22. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    If RBNY is really receiving 250K of the 800K transfer fee for Peguero, that's appalling. Teams usually receive about 20% of the transfer fee. The Crew would certainly liked to have received nearly a third of the fee for McBride, John, and Friedel.
     
  23. BulaJacket

    BulaJacket Member

    Columbus Crew (hometown), Minnesota United (close ties), Colorado Rapids (now home), Jacksonville Armada (ties)
    United States
    May 9, 2003
    Ashtabula, OH / Denver, CO / MN / Jax
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be honest, I normally think your posting is (looking for the right word) crude or not the most objective, and don't particularly agree with your viewpoints.

    However, kudos for this, as I would say to any poster. I'll be back later with some rep when it allows me later.
     
  24. monster

    monster Member

    Oct 19, 1999
    Hanover, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The league does? Really? So it was just a coincidence that there were transfer rumors about him that only came true a few days after Bruce Arena got the gig?
     

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