Grahame Jones Peace offering to Big soccer fanatics...

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by mbar, Jan 12, 2003.

  1. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Regarding all the disgust thrown Graham Jones' way for his articles as late, I thought it was interesting that in todays times:

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/socce...640871.column?coll=la-headlines-sports-soccer



    He wrote:

    "In most cases, salary cap considerations forced the hands of MLS coaches. The cap, not surprisingly, is way too low, but MLS can only afford what MLS can afford, and a league with a low cap is better than no league at all."


    Thats what we've been saying...
     
  2. Femfa

    Femfa New Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    Los Angeles
    I don't know about peace offering, as it annoys me when Jones throws Englishisms into his writing.

    "These are early days yet, however, and more trades will be made,"

    Early days? Who says that? Oh, yeah, the Brits do.
     
  3. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree.

    He loves all things English...It's annoying.

    But, I suppose any soccer writer is somewhat better then none at all.
     
  4. The Cadaver

    The Cadaver It's very quiet here.

    Oct 24, 2000
    La Cañada, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are some nits that are better left unpicked.

    Why don't you start complaining that he actually has the audacity to write in "English" - how dare he!
     
  5. Hattrix

    Hattrix Member

    Sep 1, 2002
    Chicago
    This is a dang good article. He deals with an awful lot of issues--major player trades, suspected NJ conspiracy, National team veterans coming (back) to MLS, the salary cap, the cartel issues with MLS's Big Three, Colorado's swap of a French #10 for a Columbian #10, the Bob Bradley trade, and he points out that LA have somehow remained untroubled by any of it... There's some great coverage of American soccer in there.

    Oh, but he's Graham Jones, so it must be shite.
     
  6. due time

    due time Member+

    Mar 1, 1999
    Santa Clara
    I don't get as worked up about Jones as others but I thought it was a decent summary of the past few weeks events.

    One thing I think he has wrong is the reference that San Jose made sure no one else in MLS got Graziani by loaning him to Barcelona of Ecuador. I don't think that is factually correct, and his saying that makes me wonder how firm of a grasp he really has on how MLS works.

    I'm sure SJ would have loved to have gotten *something* of value in trade for Graz from another MLS team, be that a pick or a cheaper player. Obviously, no other MLS team thought he was worth the price. SJ effectively cut him and MLS (who owns his contract, by the way) is the entity that loaned him out. It remains to be seen exactly what SJ will eventually get out of this whole deal: a future allocation?, cap relief for whatever loan fee they extracted from Barcelona if any?
     
  7. Haig

    Haig Member+

    May 14, 2000
    METROSTARS
    Club:
    --other--
    Before the BS paranoia posse gets its panties in a wad, note that he writes "don't look for any conspiracy in the AEG trades."
     
  8. Mateofelipe

    Mateofelipe Member+

    Mar 10, 2001
    Spokane, WA
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are we sure he's English? Jones is a Welsh name, and, speaking as a person of Welsh descent, there are some things English we don't much care for.
     
  9. Femfa

    Femfa New Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    Los Angeles
    You're wrong - he's GrahamE Jones.

    He's writing for an American paper - the L.A. Times - and yet he manages to sound patronizing almost every time he mentions MLS. Lately, his articles have shown grudging respect, but I, personally, am skeptical.

    And I never said he was English - I said British - so Jones being Welsh would count - and it's the Britishism in Jones writing that are annoying. Does he think there's a huge British expat community in L.A. that he is personally writing for?
     
  10. skeeinfree

    skeeinfree New Member

    Aug 11, 2000
    Southern California
    i appreciate his columns. I for one am happy to have a daily soccer column (and sportswriter) in the la times than having no coverage at all.
     
  11. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No doubt. I go through something vaguely similar down here in San Diego with Mark Ziegler, who's become increasingly anti-MLS over time. We get a lot of soccer coverage (not enough of course) but Ziegler still grates from time to time.

    I liked this line:

    I've often wondered what people/agents/fellow players tell Europeans or Latins when they're considering coming to MLS, particularly about the crowds and vast (often 3/4 empty) stadiums. That part alone must be quite a culture shock for many players and I'm sure Grimandi will have to adjust.
     
  12. The Cadaver

    The Cadaver It's very quiet here.

    Oct 24, 2000
    La Cañada, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1. There is in fact a HUGE British ex-pat community in Los Angeles, a cricket league, an ex-pat newspaper, David Hockney, and I have heard estimates of upwards of 100,000 in Santa Monica alone.

    2. There are in fact MANY legitimate substantive gripes that can be asserted about Jones' column, and I am by no means one of his fans. However, to focus on the idiom he uses to write and not the substance of what he writes is misguided. Too bad that you find his "Britishisms" irritating. Grow up and get over being so petty.
     
  13. SamPierron

    SamPierron BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 30, 1998
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's from South Africa. I'm sure his family was from the British Isles at some point.

    Did we really have to bring David Hockney into this? I've never gotten over how he turned me into a sexual object when he let me use his pool.
     
  14. Femfa

    Femfa New Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    Los Angeles
    No, I don't think it's a minor quibble that the game I adore as a global pastime - the game that is growing in my home country - is being reduced to a regionalism by a writer who can't or won't take the time to proof his articles to make them accessible to the audience that pays his salary. The game needs to be understood by new fans - and Jones' British terminology isn't helping. There's absolutely no reason for it, either. Would it have killed him to write, "Time will tell - " so that all the millions of non-Brit expats, especially those outside of Santa Monica, in LOS ANGELES, could read the article without saying, "Huh?" It's hard enough trying to understand soccer as a newbie. I, for one, am tired of the "a patronizing soccer writer is better than none at all" argument. I'd rather have someone enthusiastic, well-informed, and more impartial (Can we get Connelly or Bradley to move? The weather here is nice!) or have no one.
     
  15. HalaMadrid

    HalaMadrid Member

    Apr 9, 1999
    Well that's certainly an image I could have lived without.
     
  16. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought this thread had died a natual death.

    To be fair to Mr. Jones, his columns since the infamous "Arena ducks European competition" article have been properly balanced between noteworthy MLS and worldwide affairs.

    If I'm not mistaken, he broke the story about the Galaxy and Clash traveling to Spain in February for the La Manga cup.

    Mike
     
  17. The Cadaver

    The Cadaver It's very quiet here.

    Oct 24, 2000
    La Cañada, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LAT uses Paul Guttierez as LAG beat reporter.

    Part of the problem with Jones is that he never really bought into being a Galaxy "beat" writer, and that's what LAG fans were looking for. Actually, I am very happy to see his coverage of world wide soccer on a daily basis, even though it has very little content that isn't available on the wire services and the net. After all, a lot of sports fans, even casual soccer fans, don't scour the net for nuggets of information the way the average BS poster does. They probably have lives.

    But, by publishing this stuff regularly, Jones does create an aura of "legitimacy" that soccer seems to lack in the perception of casual American sports fans. That is to the good.

    Anyway, there was a good sign in today's LAT: Jones did his usual recap of events, with special emphasis on the FA Cup and the Mexican League. At the same time, in a parallel column, Paul Guttierez reports on the new Korean defender joining the the LAG, and interviews Sigi and Cobi about the first practice. If LAG wants to assign Guttierez to the LAG beat, that's just fine with me. If the LAG merits a real beat reporter, just like the "real" teams - Lakers, Kings, Ducks, Dodgers, Angels, UCLA, USC - that is also a mark of progress.

    I intend to write to the Times and thank them for this additional coverage.
     

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