Grading the Revs this year

Lufty, this is how you rank the players contributions by position? Are you grading against expectation or purely on perceived performance?

Lufty's rankings ordered by position
Forwards
8.5----Taylor Twellman (F)
8.2----Pat Noonan (F)
6.2----Chris Brown(M-F)
5.0----Dario Fabbro (F) (S-I/DISC)
5.0----Chris Bagley (F) (DEV)
3.0----Ibrahim Kante (F) (DEV)
2.5----Joe-Max Moore (F)

Midfielders
9.2----Jose Cancela (M) (S-I/DISC)
8.0----Steve Ralston (M)
7.5----Shalrie Joesph (M)
7.0----Brian Kamler (M)
5.8----Jason Moore (M)
5.4----Leo Cullen(M)
1.0----Tony Frias (M) (DEV)

Defenders
7.5----Joe Franchino(D)
7.5----Jay Heeps (D-M)
7.0----Marshall Leonard (M) (DEV)
6.8----Rusty Pierce (D)
6.0----Daouda Kante(D) (S-I)
4.0----Carlos Llamosa (D)

GK
7.5---- Adin Brown (GK)
5.0---- Kyle Singer (GK)
4.5---- Matt Reis (GK)

Without taking the time to give number grades, I'd rank perceived contribution something like this order:

Forwards
Taylor Twellman (F)
Pat Noonan (F)
Joe-Max Moore (F)
Chris Brown(M-F)
Dario Fabbro (F) (S-I/DISC)
Chris Bagley (F) (DEV)
Ibrahim Kante (F) (DEV)

Midfielders
Jose Cancela (M) (S-I/DISC)
Shalrie Joesph (M)
Steve Ralston (M)
Brian Kamler (M)
Leo Cullen(M)
Jason Moore (M)
Tony Frias (M) (DEV)

Defenders
Rusty Pierce (D)
Carlos Llamosa (D)
Joe Franchino(D)
Jay Heeps (D-M)
Daouda Kante(D) (S-I)
Marshall Leonard (M) (DEV)

GK
Adin Brown (GK)
Matt Reis (GK)
Kyle Singer (GK)

 

Forwards
8.0----Taylor Twellman (F)
7.7----Pat Noonan (F)
6.5----Joe-Max Moore (F)
6.0----Chris Bagley (F) (DEV)
5.3----Chris Brown(M-F)
5.0----Dario Fabbro (F) (S-I/DISC)
2.0----Ibrahim Kante (F) (DEV)


Midfielders
9.0----Jose Cancela (M) (S-I/DISC)
8.5----Shalrie Joesph (M)
8.0----Brian Kamler (M)
7.4----Leo Cullen(M)
6.0----Steve Ralston (M)
5.0----Jason Moore (M)
1.0----Tony Frias (M) (DEV)

Defenders
8.5----Rusty Pierce (D)
8.0----Jay Heeps (D-M)
7.5----Joe Franchino(D)
7.5----Marshall Leonard (M) (DEV)
7.0----Carlos Llamosa (D)
6.5----Daouda Kante(D) (S-I)


GK
8.5---- Adin Brown (GK)
6.5---- Matt Reis (GK)
5.0---- Kyle Singer (GK)


I'm basing mine off of performance in games they were in.

 

I'll play...

C.Brown 5
Cancela 8
Cullen 4.5
Fabbro 4.5
Franchino 5.5
Bagley Inc
Frias Inc
Heaps 5
Joesph 7.5
Kamler 6.5
D.Kante 5
I.Kante Inc
Leonard 5
Llamosa 5.5
J.Moore 5
JM.Moore 6
Noonan 7
Pierce 6.5
Ralston 6
Twellman 8
A.Brown 7
Reis 5
Singer Inc

No doubt the highest numbers went to Cancela, Twellman, Joseph, Pierce, Noonan, and Adin, with Kamler, and his 1st half of the season goal scoring, giving us a nice left-side option, below that first tier.

 

I would give the team as a whole a C+ to this point.

They reached the MLS Cup final last year and were favorites to retain their Eastern Conference championship. So let's remember that expectations were pretty high.
The team has gone from decent (start) to poor (annual midseason swoon) to pretty good (right now).
In midseason it had a decided lack of character with some really really poor results, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. But they've turned that around and are now showing positive character.

If you check how the players are rated in Europe's major leagues, the vast majority of ratings are between 4.5 and 7.0.
I don't think there is any player on this team that deserves more than a 7.0 average on a realistic scale if 5.0 is considered average for a professional player.

 

the only people favoring the Revs to retain the ECC was Revs fans and very few journalists. Everybody was picking the Crew, New Look Metrostars, or DC. They figured the luck rubbed off. I give the team itself a B+. They sit in second, 3rd overall. Thats pretty damn good considering they had a winless streak of 9 games.

Don't you ever have anything nice to say about the Revs?

 

Completely agree - and not even many Rev fans.

 

Okay. I'll bite. And, just how did they do in the games they weren't in? That's what I'd really like to know.

 

If i was to grade the three parts of their season begining, middle and now it'd probably be B, D+, A- that's not to say that I'd give them a final grade of a C+ but I just think it's interesting how this team has wound up, they've seemingly really gelled as a team once it was determined that certain things just weren't working. I dunno, maybe its just the crazy parity of this league. Either way it's pretty interesting that they're putting together another late season run. Final grade for the season as to where they've wound up so far, I'd say B+. A very solid team that plays very well at times and gets resulats, and other times looks like it couldn't have ever done anything. Obviously how they do in the playoffs will go a long way in determining the legacy this year's team has.

 

Good points Maxim.

However, to be fair, they'd probably get an incomplete overall.

Looking back, this was a rollercoaster ride. A few highs. A few lows. And a lot of dead air in between.

And, they went about two months without getting a win [forget the ties]. You don't get style points for that sort of thing. In no other professional sport can you do that and still have fans show up. No other.

How they do in the playoffs should be the equivalent of their final exam.

 

I still would like to know how this team, with as much talent as we have this year was so ineffective during those two months. Same players (almost) and same coach and yet they go from a roster that showed a singular lack of character to a team that shows real grit and style even starting bench players. Anyone have any insights why we seem to fade in the warmer months? It's got to be more than the heat.

George

 

They didn't lose a single game they weren't in.

Helluva record, wouldn't you say?

 

I remember alot of it was due to bad luck, except the DC breakdown. Balls were taking bad bounces and calls weren't going there way, or shots off the crossbar resulting in a fast break and eventual goal. The luck got better and the Revs started winning again. The Crew are suffering that now.

 

OK, I'm in.

Forwards
8.5----Taylor Twellman (F)
7.0----Pat Noonan (F)
6.5----Joe-Max Moore (F)
N/A----Chris Bagley (F) (DEV)
6.0----Chris Brown(M-F)
5.0----Dario Fabbro (F) (S-I/DISC)
N/A----Ibrahim Kante (F) (DEV)


Midfielders
9.0----Jose Cancela (M) (S-I/DISC)
8.5----Shalrie Joesph (M)
7.5----Brian Kamler (M)
6.5----Leo Cullen(M)
7.5----Steve Ralston (M)
4.5----Jason Moore (M)
N/A----Tony Frias (M) (DEV)

Defenders
7.5----Rusty Pierce (D)
7.0----Jay Heaps (D-M)
6.0----Joe Franchino(D)
6.5----Marshall Leonard (M) (DEV)
7.0----Carlos Llamosa (D)
5.5----Daouda Kante(D) (S-I)


GK
8.5---- Adin Brown (GK)
6.0---- Matt Reis (GK)
N/A---- Kyle Singer (GK)

 

Shalrie Joseph - Team MVP

Forwards
7.0----Taylor Twellman (F)
6.8----Pat Noonan (F)
5.2----Dario Fabbro (F) (S-I/DISC)
4.8----Chris Brown(M-F)
4.5----Joe-Max Moore (F)
4.0----Chris Bagley (F) (DEV)
N/A----Ibrahim Kante (F) (DEV)


Midfielders
7.3----Shalrie Joseph (M)
7.0----Jose Cancela (M) (S-I/DISC)
5.7----Brian Kamler (M)
5.5----Steve Ralston (M)
4.8----Leo Cullen(M)
4.0----Jason Moore (M)
N/A----Tony Frias (M) (DEV)

Defenders
5.5----Marshall Leonard (M) (DEV)
5.5----Rusty Pierce (D)
5.3----Carlos Llamosa (D)
5.2----Joe Franchino(D)
4.8----Daouda Kante(D) (S-I)
4.5----Jay Heaps (D-M)


GK
7.2---- Adin Brown (GK)
4.9---- Matt Reis (GK)
N/A---- Kyle Singer (GK)

Shalrie is the best player on the Revs. Cancela was beautiful to watch and helps the offense click, but Joseph does all the dirty work ... and more.

 

Forwards
8.5----Taylor Twellman (F)
8.0----Pat Noonan (F)
6.5----Chris Brown(M-F)
6.0----Joe-Max Moore (F)
4.5----Dario Fabbro (F) (S-I/DISC)
N/A----Chris Bagley (F) (DEV)
N/A----Ibrahim Kante (F) (DEV)


Midfielders
9.4----Jose Cancela (M) (S-I/DISC)
8.7----Shalrie Joesph (M)
8.0----Steve Ralston (M)
7.5----Brian Kamler (M)
6.5----Leo Cullen(M)
4.0----Jason Moore (M)
N/A----Tony Frias (M) (DEV)

Defenders
7.5----Rusty Pierce (D)
7.0----Carlos Llamosa (D)
7.0----Joe Franchino(D)
6.5----Jay Heaps (D-M)
6.5----Marshall Leonard (M) (DEV)
5.0----Daouda Kante(D) (S-I)

GK
8.0---- Adin Brown (GK)
7.0---- Matt Reis (GK)
N/A---- Kyle Singer (GK)

 

Forwards
8.0----Taylor Twellman (F)
6.5----Pat Noonan (F)
n/a----Chris Brown(M-F)
5.5----Joe-Max Moore (F)
4.0----Dario Fabbro (F) (S-I/DISC)
N/A----Chris Bagley (F) (DEV)
N/A----Ibrahim Kante (F) (DEV)


Midfielders
7.0----Jose Cancela (M) (S-I/DISC)
7.0----Shalrie Joesph (M)
6.75----Steve Ralston (M)
6.5----Brian Kamler (M)
5.0----Leo Cullen(M)
4.0----Jason Moore (M)
N/A----Tony Frias (M) (DEV)

Defenders
6.0----Rusty Pierce (D)
6.0----Carlos Llamosa (D)
6.5----Joe Franchino(D)
6.5----Jay Heaps (D-M)
5.0----Marshall Leonard (M) (DEV)
5.5----Daouda Kante(D) (S-I)

GK
7.0---- Adin Brown (GK)
5.0---- Matt Reis (GK)
N/A---- Kyle Singer (GK)

 

Chris Brown(M-F) - 5.5

Jose Cancela (M) (S-I/DISC) - 9.0

Leo Cullen(M) - 5.5 (includes kudos for accepting demotion gracefully)

Dario Fabbro (F) (S-I/DISC) - 4.0

Joe Franchino(D) - 5.5

Chris Bagley (F) (DEV) - 5.0

Tony Frias (M) (DEV) - 2.0

Jay Heaps (D-M) - 4.0

Shalrie Joesph (M) - 8.5

Brian Kamler (M) - 7.0

Daouda Kante(D) (S-I) - 4.0 (but rising...)

Ibrahim Kante (F) (DEV) - 5.0

Marshall Leonard (M) (DEV) - 6.0

Carlos Llamosa (D) - 5.5 (also rising)

Jason Moore (M) - 4.0

Joe-Max Moore (F) - 5.5

Pat Noonan (F) - 7.0

Rusty Pierce (D) - 8.0

Steve Ralston (M) - 6.5

Taylor Twellman (F) - 8.5

Adin Brown (GK) - 8.5

Matt Reis (GK) - 5.0

Kyle Singer (GK) - 5.0

This basically gives me a top 5 of Cancela, Joseph, Pierce, Twellman and Brown, followed by Kamler, Noonan, and Ralston. While I gave the highest score to Cancela, I'd rate Adin, Shalrie, and Rusty (clearly the defense is not the same without him) as more important. I'd rate Joseph as the most important. The main reason that we can put someone like Cancela on the pitch is because Shalrie covers so much more space than Cullen or DH. While Ralph will probably get the rookie of the year, and Noonan could actually get more votes than Shalrie, I doubt there's been another rookie as valuable as Joseph this year.

 

I agree, and I don't think there's been another DMid as valuable as Joseph, either.

Taylor and Joseph was an unbelieveable haul in one draft...

Disagree with your comments on Cancela, though. I think that, especially when you compare him with the other offensive mids in the league, he is a very good and conscientious defender.

That is probably my favorite thing about him- he's as talented as any player we've ever had, but he doesn't play like he's disgusted by the players around him, as some have in the past (and present).

 

I agree completely with the comments about Cancella and Joseph. Sad to say, that considering the national soccer media's (and MLSnet literati's) obsession with things Metros, Fire, and Galaxy (and sometimes DC), I doubt many soccer pundits could spell Pepe's or Bully's name.

 

I'm not saying that Cancela's a bad defender. My point was that he can play in front of Joseph in a more offensive role. If we were playing Leo or DH at D-mid, Jose would have to backtrack more and have more defensive responsibilities in our half of the field.

 

My effort, trying to employ the common standard for professional match rating where 3 is a complete stinker, 5 is a solid professional level performance, 7 is superstar performance and 8+ is god-like

Forwards
7.5----Taylor Twellman (F)
6----Pat Noonan (F)
n/a----Chris Brown(M-F)
4.5----Joe-Max Moore (F)
4----Dario Fabbro (F) (S-I/DISC)
N/A----Chris Bagley (F) (DEV)
N/A----Ibrahim Kante (F) (DEV)


Midfielders
8----Jose Cancela (M) (S-I/DISC)
7----Shalrie Joesph (M)
6.5----Steve Ralston (M)
6----Brian Kamler (M)
4.5----Leo Cullen(M)
4----Jason Moore (M)
N/A----Tony Frias (M) (DEV)

Defenders
6.5----Rusty Pierce (D)
5.5----Carlos Llamosa (D)
5----Joe Franchino(D)
5.5----Jay Heaps (D-M)
5.5----Marshall Leonard (M) (DEV)
4.5----Daouda Kante(D) (S-I)

GK
6.5---- Adin Brown (GK)
5.5---- Matt Reis (GK)
N/A---- Kyle Singer (GK)