Gotta love MLS

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by dred, Jul 9, 2004.

  1. dred

    dred Member+

    Nov 7, 2000
    Land of Champions
    So heading in to the all-star break, the only 3 teams under .500 are Chicago, San Jose, and New England, the 3 teams that were consensus favorites for MLS Cup 2004.
     
  2. Wallydrag

    Wallydrag BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 24, 2002
    Oklahoma City
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And of 11 starters in the West, 9 come from SJ or Chicago.
     
  3. Dave Brull

    Dave Brull Member

    Mar 9, 2001
    Mayfield Hts, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Odd being that Chicago is in the East.
     
  4. StillKickin

    StillKickin Member+

    Austin FC
    Dec 17, 2002
    Texas
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Equally odd in that both teams are contributing 5 players each.
     
  5. Es Brennt

    Es Brennt Member+

    Feb 25, 2003
    Shermer, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Gotta love Bigsoccer.
     
  6. CUS

    CUS New Member

    Apr 20, 2000
    Gotta love having the kids home for summer vacation, and mom finally letting them use the computer.
     
  7. Wallydrag

    Wallydrag BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 24, 2002
    Oklahoma City
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hi, I'm a dumb ass. Nice to me at all of you. Now, who put the "Kick Me" sign on my back?

    What in the hell was I thinking? Good Lord.
     
  8. Dave Brull

    Dave Brull Member

    Mar 9, 2001
    Mayfield Hts, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ees cool, man! Lord knows how many times I have been called on something I wrote and thought "Erg, what was I thinking?"

    At least you didn't say Central!
     
  9. CUS

    CUS New Member

    Apr 20, 2000
    Blame alcohol. It doesn't work on the wife, but always works with your buddies.
     
  10. StillKickin

    StillKickin Member+

    Austin FC
    Dec 17, 2002
    Texas
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey, I'm sorry. Didn't mean to rag on you. I'm usually not like that at all.

    It's because my freakin' team is driving me crazy and putting me in a bad mood. :(
     
  11. UxSxAxfooty

    UxSxAxfooty Member+

    Jan 23, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Equally odd: Only LA, Kansas City and Colorado have winning records.
     
  12. ChrisE

    ChrisE Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    What I'm absolutely shocked about is that that punk kid, who's done nothing in this league, Freddy Adu, was named a starter, over the far more deserving Jaime Moreno and Alecko Eskandarian. Talk about collusion, this Mickey Mouse league...

    oh wait.

    my bad.
     
  13. uclacarlos

    uclacarlos Member+

    Aug 10, 2003
    east coast
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    And w/ the wife, blame the buddies. ;)
     
  14. KCWiz

    KCWiz New Member

    May 8, 2003
    Manhattan, Kansas
    Actually, there are only 3 teams OVER .500.

    Code:
    Team	          GP	W	L	T	Pct.	Pts.	PPG	Home	Away	East	West	GF	GA	Net	GR	M# Pts.	Streak	Last 5
    DC United	15	5	5	5	0.444	20	1.333	4-2-2	1-3-3	4-3-2	1-2-3	22	21	+1	15	41	Won 1	2-1-2
    MetroStars	15	5	6	4	0.422	19	1.267	3-2-2	2-4-2	2-3-3	3-3-1	26	31	-5	15	42	Lost 3	2-3-0
    Columbus	13	5	5	3	0.462	18	1.385	3-2-2	2-3-1	4-2-1	1-3-2	15	16	-1	17	43	Won 1	2-2-1
    Chicago	          14	4	5	5	0.405	17	1.214	3-3-1	1-2-4	3-2-1	1-3-4	15	15	0	16	44	Lost 2	1-3-1
    New England	14	3	8	3	0.286	12	0.857	2-3-1	1-5-2	1-2-2	2-6-1	14	22	-8	16	N/A	Lost 2	1-4-0
    																		
    																		
    Team	          GP	W	L	T	Pct.	Pts.	PPG	Home	Away	East	West	GF	GA	Net	GR	M# Pts.	Streak	Last 5
    Los Angeles	16	8	5	3	0.563	27	1.688	5-2-2	3-3-1	5-3-1	3-2-2	30	25	+5	14	39	Won 2	3-2-0
    Kansas City	15	7	4	4	0.556	25	1.667	4-1-2	3-3-2	2-3-3	5-1-1	23	14	+9	15	41	Won 1	3-0-2
    Colorado	14	5	3	6	0.500	21	1.500	3-1-3	2-2-3	4-1-2	1-2-4	13	12	+1	16	45	Won 3	4-0-1
    Dallas	          14	5	5	4	0.452	19	1.357	2-2-2	3-3-2	3-0-2	2-5-2	17	21	-4	16	47	Won 1	2-1-2
    San Jose	14	4	5	5	0.405	17	1.214	2-1-4	2-4-1	2-2-4	2-3-1	23	21	+2	16	N/A	Lost 2	1-2-2
    
     
  15. The Cadaver

    The Cadaver It's very quiet here.

    Oct 24, 2000
    La Cañada, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LA and KC are OVER .500 (in terms of the percentage of possible points won.) By my math Colorado (before Saturday) is exactly at, not over .500, having 21 of a possible 42 points.
     
  16. ChrisE

    ChrisE Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    I'm not sure where you took that chart from, but it really doesn't make sense to use .500 as any kind of benchmark if you're going to use points/possible points as your 'percentage.' In this kind of statistic, most teams are going to be under .500, which sort of destroys the idea of what .500 means.
     
  17. UxSxAxfooty

    UxSxAxfooty Member+

    Jan 23, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Right on.

    Better restated as only three teams have winning records.
     
  18. KCWiz

    KCWiz New Member

    May 8, 2003
    Manhattan, Kansas
    No it doesn't. I make these charts for my health and for everyone on BigSoccer. For the 1,000,000th time, ties are not worth 1.5 points, so don't count them as .500. They are only 1 out of a possible 3 points PG, so count them as .333. Take LA for example. On average, they will score about 1.64 PPG. In your way, you're saying that they will score 2.3, which is absolutely wrong. Speaking of which, here are my updated all-time standings:

    Code:
    1996-2004
    TEAM			GP	W	L	T	SOW	PTS	PCT	GF	GA	GFPG	GAPG
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Chicago Fire		195	101	66	28	5	321	.549	341	258	1.75	1.32
    Los Angeles Galaxy	260	140	92	28	11	426	.546	456	332	1.75	1.28
    D.C. United		259	124	108	27	18	363	.467	448	410	1.73	1.58
    Columbus Crew		257	114	116	27	13	343	.445	416	393	1.62	1.53
    Dallas Burn		258	114	119	25	15	337	.435	400	420	1.55	1.63
    Kansas City Wizards	260	112	114	34	16	338	.433	384	402	1.48	1.55
    Miami Fusion		122	56	56	10	10	158	.432	199	219	1.63	1.80
    Colorado Rapids		258	108	121	29	12	329	.425	369	437	1.43	1.69
    San Jose Earthquakes	258	111	116	31	19	326	.421	396	388	1.53	1.50
    Tampa Bay Mutiny	187	83	98	6	10	235	.419	312	336	1.67	1.80
    NY/NJ Metrostars	258	107	131	21	11	320	.413	383	436	1.48	1.69
    New England Revolution	259	100	133	26	17	292	.376	375	448	1.45	1.73
    
     
  19. Calexico77

    Calexico77 Member

    Sep 19, 2003
    Mid-City LA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Don't feel bad. Today, I wrote a post asking why Ned Grabavoy wasn't starting on the U-20 squad when he's so obviously talented


    Problem is, he's 21
     
  20. ChrisE

    ChrisE Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    That wasn't my point. It's perfectly fine with me if you prefer using points/possible points instead of win percentage - I think the differences between the two are pretty much arbitrary. However, it doesn't make sense to talk about a team being above or below .500 if you're using your statistic. The idea behind a team being above .500 is that they're above average, below .500 is below average, etc. Nobody talks about whether a NBA or MLB team is above .550. However, that's effectively what you're doing by using MLS teams' points/possible points - most teams in this situation are going to be below .500, so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to bother with. I'd just use pts/game instead.
     

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