Good end of the year piece from cybersoccernews

Discussion in 'NWSL' started by FlashMan, Sep 25, 2002.

  1. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. Why can't we pinpoint the problems?

    The wild thing is that we have a well-rounded team on paper. We have a Shannon MacMillan, a Julie Foudy, a Joy Fawcett, a Rhiannon Tanaka, a Shannon Boxx, and the list goes on...but what exact angle of depth are we lacking? What made Carolina change so drastically? We have the talent...now, what and WHO is it going to take to utilize that talent?
     
  3. Jo

    Jo New Member

    Jan 15, 2000
    Kansas
    Good thoughtful analysis. Lots of material there for discussion.

    So where did Mac play the most during the first season? More centrally? She did have a disappointing year in 2002. Particularly after coming into the season after a whiz-bang outing with the Nats.
     
  4. Berly16ROX

    Berly16ROX New Member

    Sep 27, 2001
    Virginia
    Wrong. We DO have the talent to compete, we have the talent to be FC champs, the talent just doesnt show up to play 100% every game...

    Honestly I think the Spirit has the MOST talent actually.

    I dont think we need lots of new players, we just need to re-dedicate the ones we have, get 2 GOOD foreign players, get rid of Sauer, get a coach that knows what hes doing, and we'll be set!
     
  5. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I totally disagree with you. We have the talent to compete, but not to win.

    Even our talent isn't put together right. We have two attacking right side strikers in Zhang and Mac. We moved Mac over to the left side for much of 2002 and look what happened. Fleeting was a big help later in the year but even she lacks experience and I remain unconvinced she is someone who can take us to the promised land. She is a plus though.

    Our midfield is a muddle. Foudy stands out in terms of class but she is not a true playmaker (more of a holding midfielder). We lack that perfect touch out of the midfield to spring our forwards free. It's possible our rookie - I always forget her name - will develop, but it would be a lot to ask.

    I personally like Boxx at defensive mid a lot but even she was off her 2001 form in 2002. She needs to redevote herself to raise her game back up again.

    Both Fan and Joy had off years in the back IMHO, particularly Fan, but Joy too, who was exposed way too often. I like Tanaka a lot but she didn't settle in in 02 until late in the year. We lack strength in the back - a true rock through which no one shall pass, especially against some of the other big (and fast!) forwards in the league. Just staying the same won't cut it. Everyone is constantly improving in this (obviously young) league - we need to improve faster.

    And our goalkeeping last year was a disaster, particularly Pags. Pags had a great 2001 but was amiss in 2002. It is anyone's guess if she can regain her form. Being called into the Nats camp, even if only for a look see, may help. Smolak seems like just another goalkeeper to me.

    We do not hvae more talent than any other team in the league. That is precisely the type of thinking that got us into trouble in the first place, and how anyone could say that after missing out on the playoffs the first two years in the league is sort of beyond me.

    Right now we are a puzzle with many missing pieces. We have a LONG way to go before putting it all together.
     
  6. And the worst part of that is the spaces in the puzzle where we are trying to put those pieces, keeps changing shape...so we don't even know what pieces to look for until we find something more concrete.

    I agree with Flashman in that we have a long way to go...but I'm willing to be along for the ride.

    "The greater the obstacle, the more glory in overcoming it."
     
  7. Tsunami

    Tsunami Member

    Oct 16, 2000
    SD, CA
    Club:
    Arsenal LFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Something that this article didn't mention is the attempts that management made before the season to sign two different international players that might have made a lot of difference. Any one remember Hanna Ljundberg? What might have happened if she had agreed to sign (instead of the team later picking up Zhung)?

    She is a big, fast, skilled forward who could have played the left side, allowing Mac to continue doing what she had been doing on the right. She was good enough to garner a lot of votes (from the coaches who actually knew what they were doing) for the 2001 FIFA player of the year.
     
  8. phats_away

    phats_away Member

    Jul 28, 2001
    Atlanta, Ga
    Re: Why can't we pinpoint the problems?

    they got prinz up front who had a huge impact. she helped fotop up top. they put in unni lehn who didn't have that great of a year imo, but played an impact

    they got nel fetig and slaton on their backline, which helped them tremendously.

    thats 4 players that started that they didn't have last year. there might be 1 or 2 more, i'm not that familiar w/ carolina
     
  9. phats_away

    phats_away Member

    Jul 28, 2001
    Atlanta, Ga
    i don't think it's wise to dwell on what ifs. that doesn't really help since obviously that didn't pan out. right now, there is a problem. mac isn't effective, and i think a large part of that is due to players not getting her the ball in an oppurtunistic manner. you guys were last in goals in the league

    defense/goalie was a key minus for the spirit. you guys let 42 goals in. only new york had more, and most of the top 6 teams kept it 35 or below.

    i have faith w/ the possibility that you can turn it around. look at dc and carolina, they finsihed last 2 and made it to the fc. however; you guys not having a coach yet does hurt things. i'd say you are 3 or 4 players away from where you want to be. the draft will give you something good (prolly reddick? or maybe welsh. i don't think you'll go after solo, but pags did have a poor showing).
    you also will free up 1 foreign spot w/ akide gone...
     
  10. FearM9

    FearM9 New Member

    Jul 14, 2000
    On my bike
    Ain't Reddick a junior this season?
     
  11. phats_away

    phats_away Member

    Jul 28, 2001
    Atlanta, Ga


    f- if i know
    i thought senior, but i'm prolly wrong
     
  12. phats_away

    phats_away Member

    Jul 28, 2001
    Atlanta, Ga
  13. Berly16ROX

    Berly16ROX New Member

    Sep 27, 2001
    Virginia
    in MY opinion, we have the most talent...we do have the talent to win. look at the prediction someone did before the 2001 season with the charge, they said they had no talent, and they went to the playoffs...
     
  14. Say What

    Say What New Member

    Jul 10, 2001
    San Diego
    It takes more than just talent to be successful in pro sports. Often times the most talented athletes are not willing to put out the work necessary to be a winner.
     
  15. Very true, say what. that is how it goes in some cases..not all, but some.
     
  16. Berly16ROX

    Berly16ROX New Member

    Sep 27, 2001
    Virginia
    duh, thats what i said in my first post how they need to show up ready to play 100% every game...
     
  17. Say What

    Say What New Member

    Jul 10, 2001
    San Diego
    It's been two years, have they done it?
     
  18. Berly16ROX

    Berly16ROX New Member

    Sep 27, 2001
    Virginia
    obviously not im just saying thats the problem! and yes, some games they HAVE showed up to play
     
  19. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Spirit haven't had the talent. They play hard, just like any team in the league. But talent, in the end, has won out.

    I don't think you can look at the team the last two years and say they've dogged it, which is essentially what you're saying.
     
  20. Berly16ROX

    Berly16ROX New Member

    Sep 27, 2001
    Virginia
    yes they do have the talent...dont try to change my mind about that
     
  21. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    so they have the talent but they're dogs ('cause they've been dogging it).

    and you're still a fan of the team?

    if for no other reason, our foreign contingent is so weak that we clearly don't have the talent of other teams.

    but i won't try to change your mind.
     
  22. Berly16ROX

    Berly16ROX New Member

    Sep 27, 2001
    Virginia
    yes im still a fan of the team and i always will be. just cause they lose a lot wont change it
     

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