Gold Cup USA-CR Post Match Thread [R]

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by United20, Jul 12, 2005.

  1. United20

    United20 Member

    Feb 26, 2001
    New York City
    Let 'er rip...
     
  2. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    From all reports I'm glad I didn't bother watching it.
     
  3. nimitivd

    nimitivd Member

    Mar 27, 2005
    las vegas
    another calamity...

    why bruce why? armas?? sanneh??

    seriously?
     
  4. Dixie

    Dixie New Member

    Jul 25, 2002
    Tallahassee, Florida
    Kind of glad this was only on telefutura and I don't get it.

    So who do we get next? Everyone seems to have a different answer from South Africa to Mexico to Colombia.
     
  5. Teleplus

    Teleplus New Member

    Sep 18, 2004
    San Francisco
    Ugly. I want my two hours back.
     
  6. YankHibee

    YankHibee Member+

    Mar 28, 2005
    indianapolis
    I cannot remember a tournament where I was so unenthused by winning the group. Understandably, this is not a big tourney, blah blah blah. Anyone heard whether we are actually going to try to win the whole thing? Can we even do it with these selections?
     
  7. Solid444

    Solid444 Member+

    Jun 21, 2003
    If everything plays out like it should (no upsets) the US should get 1) Jamaica or 2) South Africa
     
  8. United20

    United20 Member

    Feb 26, 2001
    New York City
    The US has a few players (not even an handful) that can finish on a consistent basis. Donovan, EJ, and McBride with Beasley once in a blue moon. Arena has a good core of young defenders, and midfielders, now he needs to nail down some scorers. Dempsey has done well with the minimal appreances he has, but it's not enough. Noonan has to come through more too. Wolff - for someone playing forward he has no finishing skills and why Arena has a difficult time seeing this is beyond reason.
     
  9. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Sanneh had quite a good game.

    It's becoming more obvious with each minute that he plays for the USMNT that Dempsey combines a tactical and technical talent that only Donovan and Reyna can match. Problem is- where the hell do we put him?
     
  10. chitownboi

    chitownboi Member

    Dec 8, 2004
    Chicago
    Glad i fell asleep during the game
     
  11. DutchFootballRulez

    Jul 15, 2003
    Baltimore, MD
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd rather talk about EJ's Turf Toe. Is Turf Toe a ligament injury? or a severe bone bruise? Because Bruce needs to learn that Dempsey, be not a striker, he be thine No.8. Let him run from midfield. And don't sub off the most dangerous player on the team
     
  12. Namdynamo

    Namdynamo Member+

    Jan 1, 2005
    This is probably the slowest starting 11 I have ever seen the US put out in the last 10 years or so. For a while, I thought it was the Mexican team out there. My grandmother could beat Armas, Olsen, Sanneh, Noonan, Conrad, Ralston in a foot race. With all the athletes in America, I thought we could field a team faster than that.
     
  13. Liviu

    Liviu New Member

    Jul 12, 2005
    Illinois, USA
    Re: Gold Cup USA-CR Post Match Thread

    Thoughts on the game...

    Referee was horrible. Maybe he forgot his glasses home or something. That foul cleets-first on Hejduk by Rojas should've been straight red, the yellow given to Hejduk at the end for diving was crazy - replay clearly showed good contact, if the Ref would've given a couple of yellows to the Costa Ricans at the beginning of the game for the blatant hard fouls (especially on Dempsey), the Costa Ricans would've settled down a bit.

    Overall, I didn't like the effort the U.S put in today. They said one thing, that this game is important, that they want to win, blah blah blah... but they showed something else.
     
  14. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cuz we've clinched advancing.

    Also...did you watch the match? I mean that in all honesty. Because this is like the Richie-in-Saprissa thing all over again.

    Remember that? We were all aghast at Richie Williams starting that match when the lineups were announced. But much to our surprise, he played well. (At least by the dire standards of our boys that night.) Yet ever since, that's cited as a dumb Bruce decision. It's cuz Richie was getting bashed all of the time.

    But Beasley is one of the favorites around here because he went to PSV. So you have to keep reminding people that he was our worst player in Azteca.

    Back to the matter at hand. It was an odd lineup if Bruce's desire was to win. It was still somewhat odd if his desire was to draw and win the group. It was a perfectly sensible lineup if Bruce's goals were a) not to give away too much to CR, whom we'll face later in a much more important match and b) try out some guys to get a better idea of whom he wants to use in the rest of the Hex and in Germany.

    And the two guys you specifically named were pretty good. Take out the horrendous Sanneh backpass, and they look even better. We pitched a shutout. Why the hatin'?
     
  15. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    Re: Gold Cup USA-CR Post Match Thread

    That was about as bad as I expected.

    Just a few thoughts...

    The good:

    John O'Brien is healthy.

    Ralston showed he has something to offer at a very weak position for us.

    Hejduk is actually getting better with age (either that, or I'm getting used to him).

    We can keep a clean sheet with Conrad and Sanneh in the middle (who'da thunk it?).


    The bad:

    Arena's squad selection.

    Every pass Armas made.

    Team speed.
     
  16. spot

    spot Member+

    Nov 29, 1999
    Centennial
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Final pass was missing all night. I thought is wasn't that ugly. CR's defense did very well, our defense did well. Our midfield controlled more, but the final pass was really missing all night.

    I said this in the PBP thread, but Bruce teases with his sub patterns. O'Brien and Dempsey were doing well. Add a little Donovan and a little Beasley subtracting Noonan and Armas, and we probably carry the game. I suppose there's risk to it, but did it really matter if we lost. I'm not sure Columbia is really a terrific prize for winning. Although, I'll be glad to see us up against a non-CONCACAF team for a change.

    Big thanks once again to Telefutura for the English closed-caption. I always wanted to know what the hell those guys were talking about. Made me giggle that they were playing tricks on the CC typist.
     
  17. YankHibee

    YankHibee Member+

    Mar 28, 2005
    indianapolis
    Turf toe is simply a hyperextension injury to the great toe. The term was originally coined for football and soccer players who injured their great toes on artificial turf (9-11). Runners and other athletes who do not compete on artificial turf can also sustain this injury.

    Anatomy. The first metatarsal head articulates with the medial and lateral sesamoids on its plantar aspect (figure 3). The sesamoids are contained within the flexor hallucis brevis tendon and are distally connected to the base of the proximal phalanx by the plantar plate. Medial and lateral stability of the sesamoids is imparted by the tendons of the abductor and adductor hallucis as well as by the intersesamoidal ligament. This complex stabilizes the plantar aspect of the first MTP joint.

    Treatment. The initial treatment for all grades of turf toe is rest, ice, compression dressings, elevation, and nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), but other treatment measures vary with the grade.

    Grade 1 injuries can usually be treated effectively with conservative measures. Patients may continue sports activity if (1) they wear stiff-soled shoes to prevent dorsiflexion beyond 30° during the push-off phase, and (2) the great toe is taped by bringing tape from the dorsal surface of the great toe to the plantar surface to prevent dorsiflexion beyond 30° (15).

    Patients with grade 2 injuries should refrain from athletic activities for 1 to 2 weeks and wear stiff-soled shoes; a rigid orthosis should be inserted to further prevent dorsiflexion of the first MTP joint. Grade 3 injuries require the same modalities as grade 2, but the restriction of athletic activities is 3 to 6 weeks. If these conservative measures fail for grade 3 injuries, surgery for plantar capsule repair or loose-body removal may be necessary (9).

    A patient's return to activities should progress gradually from weight bearing to walking to jogging, using discomfort as a guide. A complete return to play should be permitted only after full-speed running and cutting maneuvers are pain free (15). With proper care, the prognosis for full recovery is excellent
     
  18. Beethovieff

    Beethovieff New Member

    Jul 8, 2004
    Pennsylvania
    I've seen worse, but not much to like about this game. The only positives were O'Brien not getting injured and Dempsey looking dangerous. I was also constantly reminded that Hejduk has pace, but little sense, and Ralston sure can cross, but lacks the pace to get them off against close marking.

    The subs did little to change the game from my perspective. Donovan seemed almost non-existent, Beasley caused cheap giveaways or passed backwards, and Wolff was his typical self.

    Maybe we'll get to see Dempsey up top a bit more. He seems to have some of that swagger and unpredictable nature that comes with the name Clint. If he finishes half of the chances he creates, he's good for a goal per game.
     
  19. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is where I get to reiterate for probably the 6th time...I think the biggest tactical decision facing Bruce is what to do with Dempsey. Because if he starts Dempsey, because of what he brings to the field, it'll affect so many other tactical decisions.

    Oh yeah...was anyone else thinking, maybe Steve C. could be our right mid? Back him up with Hejduk, or Robbie Russell, or Onyewu. Steve showed not just fullback skill, but wing skill.
     
  20. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    You thought Armas was pretty good?! :eek:
     
  21. Liviu

    Liviu New Member

    Jul 12, 2005
    Illinois, USA
    I don't think Dempsey played at forward this game anyway. It was only on paper. He kept making runs from deep midfield.
     
  22. juventino3

    juventino3 Member

    Sep 13, 2000
    Alexandria, VA
    Sanneh, Armas, Conrad, and Olsen are just not good enough. They have no business wearing a US jersey. What concerns me even more is Arena's short sightedness with regards to our left back situation. Hejduk has proved that he is worthy of being on the national team because of his speed and workrate, but only in the capacity of a tactical late game sub. Vanney and Hejduk are not international level left backs. They both have serious holes in their game that will be exposed against decent competition. How Bruce could not try Burciaga, Dunivant, Spector, or even a Josh Gross at left back is beyond me.
     
  23. WestLooper

    WestLooper Member

    Apr 17, 2005
    or Mexico if they a.) lose to Jamaica c.) draw Jamaica and SA loses to Guat.
     
  24. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Gold Cup USA-CR Post Match Thread

    Yeah, he was dire. You're right on about the foul on Hejduk...at first it didn't look that bad, to me anyway. But the replay from the referee's angle was horrible. It was a textbook two-legged leap, straight red. And then he f***s Hejduk by calling the dive when he was clearly clipped.

    And it was like the man had never heard of persistent infringement. And don't get me started on the tackles from behind that rarely drew a whistle, let alone a yellow.
     
  25. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Man he looked fabulous tonight, didn't he? That guy never makes a mistake on defense and I swear he's our fourth fastest player with the ball at his feet.
     

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