Going to North America '26: tickets, accommodations, etc. (non-politics)

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Dragonlord, Feb 5, 2024.

  1. Dragonlord

    Dragonlord Member

    Apr 1, 2003
    Some stadium in Qatar
    So I'm starting this thread since I couldn't see one yet up by the mods.

    Its prob still 1 year too early but at least we know the venues now.

    Anyone want to speculate on dates, attendance , etc ?

    I am particularly worried on how difficult it will be to get tickets vs prior WCs, particularly for USA matches. The over subscription for match tickets taking place in major cities will reach unheard levels, don't you agree ?

    Anyway, lets get this started for the road for 2026!
     
  2. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Way ahead of you, partner ;)

    Now this is worthy of its own thread; if you want to go that route, I'll update the title accordingly. Otherwise, we can stick with the general WC2026 thread for now...
     
  3. Dragonlord

    Dragonlord Member

    Apr 1, 2003
    Some stadium in Qatar
    I'm OK with sticking with the general WC26 thread, but dare i say, where is it ?
     
  4. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. Glamourboy10

    Glamourboy10 Member

    Feb 12, 2014
    Dallas,TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
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  6. uuaww

    uuaww Member+

    Nov 21, 2007
    New Orleans, LA
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We need a dedicated tickets thread so that we can discuss plans. I think you will only need about 1000 applications to have a good shot at tickets.
     
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  7. Glamourboy10

    Glamourboy10 Member

    Feb 12, 2014
    Dallas,TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    I'll one up you and create 1001 apps . This is gonna be resellers paradise, touts will out in full force. Scary part is Americans are already conditioned to pay 1000% over market. Jut look at the MLS prices for Messi games.
     
  8. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't necessarily disagree... but you'll have to take that up with the host nations :D
     
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  9. Glamourboy10

    Glamourboy10 Member

    Feb 12, 2014
    Dallas,TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Ya l have already written to them about that awful logo .
     
  10. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Sad, but probably true. I can't believe people have the energy or money to put in 1000 applications. The benefit: effort and benefit : price ratios just seem terrible!

    Oh well, maybe I'll get some good $$ by renting out my place so I can sip margheritas on a beach far far away and come home 35 days later with more money than I left New York with. :coffee:
     
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  11. Dragonlord

    Dragonlord Member

    Apr 1, 2003
    Some stadium in Qatar
    I'd love to get a scientific estimate of this. This is what I came back with courtesy of AI:

    World CupYear Total Aggregate Ticket Applications Average Total Aggregate Demand

    Russia2018 Approx. 10 million 3.572 million
    Brazil2014 Approx. 12 million 3.429 million
    South Africa2010 Approx. 10 million 3.178 million
    Germany2006 Approx. 8 million 3.359 million
    Korea & Japan 2002 Approx. 7 million 2.705 million
    France1998 Approx. 5 million 2.785 million


    "Total Aggregate Ticket Applications" column is based on anecdotal evidence, forum discussions, news reporting, and historical trends. Actual figures may vary, and for precise data, consulting official sources such as FIFA.com or other reputable sources providing historical World Cup data is recommended." From GPT 3.5
     
  12. uuaww

    uuaww Member+

    Nov 21, 2007
    New Orleans, LA
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sadly none of those matter because prior to 2022, FIFA required a credit card to put in a ticket application. For Qatar, they did not and you saw a balloon to 23.5 million applications for a very low demand World Cup. With 23.5 applications we calculated that applications had a 2-5% chance of being successful for standard games. I cannot imagine there will be anything less than 10x as many applications. So that would drop to .2 - .5% chance per application or even worse.
     
  13. Dragonlord

    Dragonlord Member

    Apr 1, 2003
    Some stadium in Qatar
    130M (Mex) + 330M (US) + 40M (CAN) = 500M

    Now analyze your premise 23.5 x 10x = 235M application

    Lets make the big assumption that each local applicant applies 4 times. I think its less than that actually (passport restriction). That would mean that 235/4 = 58M or 12% of the entire NA pop. That includes all ages and women. in non crazy football countries like US and CAN

    Anyway, the 58/4 = 15M locals . I don't think you will have 12% (men + women!) of locals interested in tickets except maybe in MEX. And you have to assume they can afford at least 1 ticket. It will be massive, but not that level of applications. I'd guess 25M tops (3 passports) for 10M applicants

    10M is already exceeding the level of interest in all world cups , particularly in football crazy countries AND also geographically convenient like EU , plust it does not include foreigners!!).

    Now add foreigners. I'm not sure how many visitors to expect, but I think QAR received like 3M, with easy visas. US and CAN are not Qatar. They are also, frankly, far more visited and less interested than an exotic country like JAP, SA, RUS, or QAR. But let's assume you 3x qatar, and assuming that visitors are wealthy, older, and not likely to play app games, so let's take their appts to 3 per foreigner, so 3 x 3 x 3 = 27M additional apps.

    So that means 27M (foreign) + 25M (local) for 48 games with avg stadium capacity 65,000, then you your chances are 3,120,000 / 52,000,000 = 6%.

    Naturally, some games will be far less popular, so most of the time you are hitting >10% probability of success or more, which is not to write home about, but that's per app.

    Doesn't look hellish, except for finals/semis.
     
  14. uuaww

    uuaww Member+

    Nov 21, 2007
    New Orleans, LA
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    @Dragonlord I think you are spot on for number of applicants for the world cup. but you can cut the number of tickets available in half, sponsors, fifa, and hospitality will take up half at least. I am guessing about just around 3 million tickets available for us normal folks. But each successful app won't just be for 1 ticket, it will be a bunch.

    remember, fifa ranks applications, not individual game requests. so each app is very, very, very, likely to either be all successful or all unsuccessful.

    So lets say each successful app gets 16 tickets each on average. In previous WCs you could apply for as many as 12 games at 4 or even 6 (Qatar) tickets per game. That means there's just room for just over 200000 winning applications. That would equal 0.4% chance of a winning ticket if there is 53 million applications.

    Add in the elephant in the room. Touts. Ask people who bought on the secondary market for FIFA Qatar, what name was on the ticket? Had a lot of Indian and Chinese surnames who bought solely for the secondary market which will be stupid in 2026.... With full digital tickets and a population willing to overpay, I cannot imagine tout demand will be anything but stupid.
     
  15. marianelah

    marianelah Member+

    Jan 14, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are no passport restrictions for applications. In Qatar a lot of Indians applied and resold or tried to resell; first the ticket allocations they had been awarded. Then the actual tickets accounts.
    It's going to a be crazy trying to get tickets.
     
  16. Cheetah101

    Cheetah101 Member

    Apr 21, 2009
    Arizona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And yet...

    For Qatar I didn't pay a single tout/reseller/scalper for a ticket and I attended more games than in the previous 4 WCs I had attended, at 13 quite a lot in my book , though meager by the standards of some addicts in this forum, and elsewhere. :)

    And according to the data quoted above, Qatar had more applications than any WC before it.

    I am not yet sold on the difficulty of obtaining tickets directly from FIFA. Yes, some teams are going to see crazy demand, but many minnows will likely see much less demand than is being guessed at here.
     
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  17. wixson7

    wixson7 Member+

    May 12, 2009
    boulder
    I wonder how they'll do visas for this. Definitely some scrutiny will be put in place.
     
  18. uuaww

    uuaww Member+

    Nov 21, 2007
    New Orleans, LA
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I work in US immigration. FIFA is not getting any special treatment for visas. If you come from a non-esta country be prepared to apply sooner rather than later.
     
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  19. marianelah

    marianelah Member+

    Jan 14, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly! I have family in Central America waiting on 3 years for a visa… there’s a long line folks.
     
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  20. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Let's see how deep into 2024 we can keep this thread on the first page of this forum, despite the almost certain fact that no information will be released on ticket prices, ticket selling phases or anything we discuss in here that's on topic until this date in 2025 at the earliest. :)
     
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  21. marianelah

    marianelah Member+

    Jan 14, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There’s a rumor that the schedule was released this early because ticket sales will start soon. Hospitality and possibly team specific tickets. FIFA will lock in the money 2.5 years early and make a ton off the interest free loan.
     
  22. Regi0

    Regi0 Member

    Aug 11, 2011
    Club:
    CF Rayados de Monterrey
    3 years for a tourist visa!?

    Getting a B1/B2 visa should not difficult for anyone with the means of being able to afford travel +WC.

    As bad as they may sound, people who don't fit the profile of a visa approval probably should be prioritizing on more important things before spending thousands of dollars on a sports tournament.
     
  23. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So you're the one who decimated Violette last year! :mad:

    I kid, I kid :D

    Makes sense - it's in FIFA's best interest to sell group-stage tickets sight unseen, before we know our Belgium-Senegal from our Bahrain-Scotland :whistling:
     
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  24. uuaww

    uuaww Member+

    Nov 21, 2007
    New Orleans, LA
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/visa-information-resources/wait-times.html

    3 years? Probably Honduran. If you're from Africa or Asia and from countries with super long wait times they are probably gonna assume that you already have a visa. Brazil and Argentina have reasonable wait times. Non esta Europe, reasonable. The bulk of central American fans who are planning to attend are already in the US. The amount of fans affected by this is so small in the US's mind that they have little interest in changing anything even if FIFA cared.
     
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  25. themanlarry

    themanlarry Member+

    Nov 14, 2005
    I'd be happy to shell out for any form of TST. Having the option for Qatar 2022 on that initial FCFS day to buy the cheaper category TST3 for any team you wanted helped a big deal when I knew I was only going for a week of the group stages, even if later after the draw two of my teams clashed on the same day I still had Argentina too which ended up being one of the more difficult teams to get a ticket for.

    For the recent Rugby World Cup (a much smaller scale) I bought my equivalent of a CAT4 TST till the Quarterfinals over 900 days before the tournament started (they sold some during the middle of the pandemic for a Sept/Oct 2023 tournament). Good to take any opportunity to lock it in early when the casuals and fence-sitters can't get their act together to pay or organize themselves that far ahead, and then if the travel really is too much after the group stage draw or doesn't end up being feasible you can give it back to resale platform or offer it to friends.

    Really looking forward to this tournament. Would be happy to be sent anywhere if my country qualifies but otherwise have considered trying to get to all three Mexican venues, plus Miami, perhaps Atlanta since I've always been interested in that stadium.
     
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