Goal contribution of the best players

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Trachta10, Nov 4, 2020.

  1. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024







    ................................ about Ferenc Puskas .. you know to inform (with detail) how many assists has Puskas with reports of the him matches including ... and .. the matches that missing or lacking details or were not reported at all .... the matches is missing .. with too much details ????
     
  2. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    If I remember correctly he had about 354 assists counted, for missing games I estimate about 376 assists.

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  3. Guts_1069

    Guts_1069 Member

    Cruzeiro
    Brazil
    Nov 6, 2023
    Do you have a similar table but seasonal?
     
  4. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    I lost it
     
  5. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Cruyff calendar year Stats
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    Neymar calendar year Stats
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  6. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Advanced stats in 1981

    Boca vs River
    Maradona vs Kempes 27/09/1981
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    Maradona vs Ramón Díaz 07/07/1981
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    Summary of some matches
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  7. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #2282 carlito86, Jun 1, 2024
    Last edited: Jun 1, 2024
    Ronaldinho CL 2005/06
    7.72


    Vinicius Jr CL 2023/24
    7.65


    Neymar Jr CL 2014/15
    7.43

    Sofascore


    Bellingham was a ghost tonight and I don’t see the ballon dor going to anyone except Vinicius

    he will be the first Brazilian ballon dor winner in almost 20 years and the youngest since Ronaldo nazario

    Maybe the narrative of Toni kroos can change that though
    Him and Luca Modric join Gento on 6 champions leagues and there is still a tournament to be played in the coming weeks
    One even bigger than the CL
     
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  8. Guts_1069

    Guts_1069 Member

    Cruzeiro
    Brazil
    Nov 6, 2023
    also Kaká with 7.12 average rating in the ucl 06/07
     
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  9. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Bellingham CL 23/24
    7.74
     
  10. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #2285 carlito86, Jun 2, 2024
    Last edited: Jun 2, 2024
    A grade that is heavily Inflated by his groupstage performances
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    7.68 for Vinicius in the CL QF to final rounds


    7.06 for Bellingham in the CL QF to final rounds


    The level of opposition doesn’t seem to affect Vinicius in the slightest whilst Bellingham goes a level down
    I don’t seem them as being particularly close

    personally I also don’t like that a player wins a ballon dor after being world class for only one season


    Vinicius has been building up to this gradually (he has a body of work with contributions across multiple major finals)
    And if we talk about just this season and nothing else it’s not like Bellinghams performances have blown his out of the water (not in the league IMO and definitely not in the CL)

    we may get a podium with only black players for the first time in history (a watershed moment)

    Vinicius Jr
    Mbappe
    Bellingham

    they are the 3 outstanding players for me at least and if mbappe joins next season it’s RIP to every other club.

    tears will be flowing for many a fanbase
     
  11. Bin1250

    Bin1250 Member

    Arsenal
    Argentina
    Jun 16, 2023
    Mate, can you give me a list of the best player of every Champions League season since the beginning of this century?
     
  12. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Bellingham were the best player at LaLiga

    Added to this he has the best rating of the CL from Madrid players

    When they were knocked out of Copa del Rey Vinicius played bad and Bellingham played well giving an assist against Atleti

    In Spanish supercopa final both Bellingham and Vini destroyed Barcelona

    Overall I think it's very close but I give the edge to Bellingham for his regularity for all season long

    But I think what will decide the BDO is copa América and Euros. If Germany wins, I see Kroos winning. If england wins, I see Bellingham or maybe Kane with a standout performance winning it. If France win it maybe Mbappé. If Portugal win it maybe CR7?

    The Copa América has less weight than the Euro and this is no secret to anyone. Brazil is on the strong side of the switch. You have Argentina on one side and on the other side you have Brazil, Uruguay and Colombia. If Brazil reaches the final it is likely that they will face Argentina. And Vinícius so far hasn't shown anywhere near the level of Real Madrid in the national team. I have more faith in Endrick than in Vini Jr to be a protagonist in this Copa América. Not to mention that since Tite's departure, Brazil has been in a mess. Although they beat England and Spain in friendlies, I'm still not completely convinced.
     
  13. Bin1250

    Bin1250 Member

    Arsenal
    Argentina
    Jun 16, 2023
    @carlito86
     
  14. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Mbappé has played 444 matches.
    Comparison with Messi, Neymar, and Cristiano at the same number of matches.

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  15. Paulob

    Paulob New Member

    Fluminense
    Brazil
    Jan 28, 2023
    Data on Pelé's assists from the newspaper A Tribuna:


    1) 25/09/57 Santos 9x1 Ypiranga: 2 assists (non-Opta): 1 Post rebound (first goal) and 1 Own goal assist (fifth goal)

    https://memoria.bn.gov.br/DocReader/DocReader.aspx?bib=153931_03&pagfis=44026


    2) 26/07/59 Santos 8x2 xv de jaú: 1 assist Opta (fifth goal)

    https://memoria.bn.gov.br/DocReader/DocReader.aspx?bib=153931_03&pagfis=59162


    3) 01/11/59 Santos 6x2 comercial-rp: no assists

    https://memoria.bn.gov.br/DocReader/DocReader.aspx?bib=153931_03&hf=memoria.bn.gov.br&pagfis=61166
     
  16. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    #2291 Trachta10, Jun 5, 2024
    Last edited: Jun 5, 2024
    Thanks!
    Yeah, now that A Tribuna is available for 1957-1959, I was able to review matches where I was missing data, mainly from the 1959 season. I hadn't reviewed the match from 09/25/57, now we know Pelé has two non-opta assists.

    This is my last update. Non-Opta assists from 1957-1965 are completed as much as possible
    https://www.mediafire.com/file/1zqyxbbrpebovu2/Pelé+all+official+games+Non-Opta.xlsx/file
     
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  17. spartacus7

    spartacus7 Member

    Jul 8, 2023
    I got this from your file @Trachta10

    819 games
    71425 mins
    756 goals
    360 assists
    1116 G+A
    2117 team goals
    52.72% goal contribution
    1.36G+A/game
    G/A every 64 min
     
  18. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Pelé played 819 official matches.
    Comparison with Messi and Cristiano at the same number of matches.

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  19. Guts_1069

    Guts_1069 Member

    Cruzeiro
    Brazil
    Nov 6, 2023
    Actually Pelé played like almost 1400 matches if you count unofficial games
     
  20. Danko

    Danko Member+

    Barcelona
    Serbia
    Mar 15, 2018
    I think you posted about assists before but I can't find it. Couple of questions.

    Does Messi have the most Opta assists in football history?

    Puskas has the most total assists right? Obviously we can't verify if they all fall under Opta definition.
     
  21. spartacus7

    spartacus7 Member

    Jul 8, 2023
    Is the 376 assists number just for club career?
     
  22. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    all games
     
  23. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Puskás and Cruyff played 719 and 720 official matches.
    Comparison with Pelé at the same number of matches.

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  24. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    I found a couple of stats on Opta's website that are not available on other sites like Sofascore

    In the World Cup
    Accurate passes in the final third
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    Final third entries with possession of the ball
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    Penalty area entries with possession of the ball
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    My rating is to add up the three %
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  25. Danko

    Danko Member+

    Barcelona
    Serbia
    Mar 15, 2018
    Trachta in case you didn't see me previous post, I'm posting it again.

    I think you posted about assists before but I can't find it. Couple of questions.

    Does Messi have the most Opta assists in football history?

    Puskas has the most total assists right? Obviously we can't verify if they all fall under Opta definition.
     

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