Goal contribution of the best players

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  1. IceBlood34

    IceBlood34 Member

    Montpellier HSC
    France
    Jan 27, 2021
    Here are my estimates of the most decisive players of all time.
    These results were made by the work of other people like @Trachta10 or @anamnesis del fútbol and other famous soccer history enthusiasts.
    For the estimations of the assists, a coefficient has been used for them, in absence of knowing the number of goals that their respective team to score (difficult for the distant years)..
    Coefficient if attacking midfielder: 0,30 x number of games played in career, if forward: 0,20x, if striker: 0,15x.
    Of course, it's not ideal but it's the only one solution I could find..
    Besides I'm open to debate about these numbers with you guys.


    Cheers,
    IceBlood34.

    The players with an asterix correspond to those with an estimate (for assists).
    (NAME - GOALS - ASSISTS - G+A)
    Messi 796 350 1146
    Pelé 756 366 1122
    Puskas* 710 374 1084
    C. Ronaldo 820 234 1054
    Lenstra* 684 290 974
    Romario 727 147 874
    Bican* 706 125 831
    Helmchen* 702 102 804
    Morlock* 609 194 803
    Gerd Muller 635 152 787
    Suarez 534 247 781
    Ibrahimovic 572 204 776
    Lawton* 657 112 769
    Cruyff 403 358 761
    Zico* 521 235 756
    Willimowski* 657 95 752
    Lewandowski 612 129 741
    Jimmy Jones* 647 92 739
    Bambrick* 621 113 734
    Di Stefano* 518 214 732
    Alex de Souza 392 313 705
    Zsengeller* 611 92 703
    Friedenreich* 565 122 687
    Neymar Jr 435 248 683
    Sarosi* 463 204 667
    Leonidas* 547 119 666
    Dinamite* 528 134 662
    McGrory* 544 108 652
    Hugo Sanchez* 514 132 646
    Henry 414 226 640
    Deak* 549 91 640
    Peyroteo* 559 71 630
    Benzema 437 187 624
    Mermans* 500 122 622
    Franz Binder* 534 86 620
    Ademir de Menezes* 494 98 592
    Gunnar Nordhal* 496 96 592
    Isidro Langara* 505 84 589
    Eusebio* 512 75 587
    Bene* 508 79 587
    Schlosser* 476 88 564
    Raul 407 154 561
    Raul 407 154 561
    Totti 316 240 556
    Bloomer* 419 135 554
    Seeler* 443 110 553
    Eto'o 421 131 552
    Rooney 359 193 552
    Maradona 344 206 550
    Ronaldo Nazario 419 130 549
    Aguero 427 118 545
    Krankl* 426 110 536
    Jimmy Greaves* 430 105 535
    Tulio Maravilha* 408 126 534
    Hughie Gallacher* 411 119 530
    Dzeko 383 135 518
    Rivelino* 243 272 515
    Fritz Walter* 390 125 515
    Thomas Muller 274 237 511
    Huntelaar 408 102 510
    Platini* 324 179 503
    Shevchenko 369 131 500
    Ronaldinho 300 192 492
    Higuain 366 121 487
    De Cleyn* 386 100 486
    Cavani 410 73 483
    Glen Ferguson* 311 170 481
    Ronnie Rooke* 383 98 481
    Bergkamp 302 176 478
    Tevez 311 161 472
    Jairzinho* 306 161 467
    Halliday* 365 98 463
    Meazza* 346 112 458
    Giggs 181 277 458
    Kocsis * 370 86 456
    Figo 169 283 452
    Drogba 337 109 446
    Rivaldo 294 148 442
    Di Maria 184 255 439
    Archie Stark * 357 81 438
    Batistuta 330 104 434
    Kaka 237 193 430
    Baggio 303 126 429
    Garrincha* 257 172 429
    Best* 257 169 426
    John Charles* 299 127 426
    Fred Roberts* 364 57 421
    Tostao* 303 110 413
    Beckham 144 259 403
    Marco Van Basten 304 84 388
    Vava* 312 73 385
    Didi* 223 158 381
    Mbappé 259 115 374
    Tichy Lajos* 298 70 368
    Zidane 156 205 361
    Meredith* 204 155 359
    Xavi 123 221 344
    Steffen Hofmann 128 209 337
    Sindelar* 266 71 337
    Sanfilippo* 244 84 328
    Haaland 188 36 224
    GO Smith* 185 37 222
    Davy Boy Martin* 164 44 208
    Woodward* 136 61 197

    As far as 02/07/2023
     
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  2. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Penalty conversion rate% in the Argentine League by decade

    (On Target)

    1930s: 65.61% (86.07%)
    1940s: 67.22% (86.67%)
    1950s: 69.80% (88.45%)
    1960s: 72.27% (89.98%)
    1970s: 74.95% (91.71%)
    1980s: 74.42% (91.68%)

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  3. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Most Non-penalty goals + assists in 5 consecutive seasons (club only)

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    Ordered by G+A-PK p90

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    Ordered by goal involvement %

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    Ordered by my Rating, assists have a value of 1.5, and it also benefit players that played for stronger teams taking into account goals against, the % is based on (goals for+goals against*0.5)

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  4. Ryan Pinkham

    Ryan Pinkham New Member

    Manchester United
    England
    Dec 4, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    What are the best online newspapers archives from around the world to find out these statistics, for different players that these assists are estimated for
     
  5. Sexy Beast

    Sexy Beast Member+

    Dinamo Zagreb
    Croatia
    Aug 11, 2016
    Zagreb
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Is there any significance to background color for each player's name?
     
  6. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I think he's using a different colour/shade for each nationality.
     
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  7. Sexy Beast

    Sexy Beast Member+

    Dinamo Zagreb
    Croatia
    Aug 11, 2016
    Zagreb
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Lol yes. That makes sense. That was my first thought but i thought i saw ibrahimovic in the same color as mbappe so i was confused
     
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  8. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    The average of the best 5 performances in the WC for each player according to Sofascore Ratings

    Just to clarify, the data is available since 1966, so clearly players like Pelé have great performances that are not registered

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  9. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
  10. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
  11. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Stats in Champions League/World Cup/Copa America/Euro Cup/Confederations

    Per90 minutes:
    (Non-Penalty goals)-(Assists)

    Kylian Mbappé: (0.682)-(0.377)
    Lionel Messi: (0.623)-(0.321)
    Cristiano Ronaldo: (0.614)-(0.222)


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    Goal involvement:
    Lionel Messi: 49.50%
    Kylian Mbappé: 48.30%
    Cristiano Ronaldo: 46.15%
     
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  12. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    #1737 PDG1978, Feb 25, 2023
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2023
    Using up my credits on Britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk, and looking to see if there might be 1950 World Cup All-Star teams or something, I stumbled on this instead which is an interesting table based on perhaps goal differences (EDIT: I mean, I'm thinking 'goal difference differences' rather than purely 'goals scored differences' maybe) in International teams during the 20th Century with players playing as opposed to not playing (but I'm not sure exactly and I haven't tried to do any calculations myself to understand further yet - the Cricket bowlers criteria below is explained better and easy to understand):
    goaldiffinttab.png
    Billy Wright wasn't a striker by the way, but a half-back or centre back.

    I wasn't sure exactly which thread was best, so thought on this one it'd get some interest and views anyway, even though it's clearly not about direct goal contributions (goals/assists).
     
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  13. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Possibly for International career this site can allow Matthews and Finney to be included in any table by Trachta based on Internationals only, by the way: it has Matthews on 25 'post-war' (meaning 2nd I think) assists but has some details in summaries and reports for earlier games too, like these:
    England Match No. 222 - Ireland - 16 November 1938 - Match Summary and Report (englandfootballonline.com)
    England Match No. 216 - Germany - 14 May 1938 - Match Summary and Report (englandfootballonline.com)
    England Players - Stan Matthews (englandfootballonline.com)
    It has Finney on 32 assists
    England Players - Tom Finney (englandfootballonline.com)
     
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  14. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Alfredo Di Stéfano and Omar Sivori in River Plate

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    Diego Maradona in Napoli
    Michel Platini in Juventus

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  15. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Pelé in Santos
    Zico in Flamengo

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  16. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Non penalty goals + assists per 90 minutes

    In 3 seasons "Peak" (club only)
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    In 5 seasons "Peak" (club only)
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    Goal Involvement %
    5 seasons "Peak" (club only)

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    21st century. My criteria was to count at least 200 games, if the player did not reach that number, I add another season (like with Haaland)
     
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  17. Danko

    Danko Member+

    Barcelona
    Serbia
    Mar 15, 2018
    Peak Messi was such a phenomenon. Even Haaland can't match him in non-penalty scoring rate.
     
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  18. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Non-Penalty Goal + Assist per90
    "Peak" in 100 consecutive games

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  19. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Goal Involvement %
    In 100 consecutive games "Peak"

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  20. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Goal Involvement %
    "Peak" in 200 Consecutive Games


    Pelé: 61.40%
    Lionel Messi: 58.53%
    Diego Maradona: 56.02%
    Ferenc Puskás: 53.60%
    Cristiano Ronaldo: 51.82%
    Zico: 51.29%
    Erling Haaland: 51.04%
    Kylian Mbappé: 50.81%
     
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  21. Caspian

    Caspian Member

    Sep 15, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid

    Hi T10 this is just for the sake of clarity after Paulobs's find of two assists where does the total tally for assists stand?
    I saw this great thread coming back to life with your new post so i thought i would trouble you for yet another post to clear my doubt
     
  22. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    For Pelé I have 363 assists counted +3 estimated for mssing games in 1959. A total of 366
     
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  23. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Calendar Year Stats

    Kylian Mbappé
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    Erling Haaland
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  24. SaidB94

    SaidB94 New Member

    Dec 22, 2022
    Could someone find or recopilate all the free kicks made by Juninho Pernambucano? I've been questioning his free kick success rate.
     
  25. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    This is the research of @Bf2015Roly on twitter

    but the success rate should be almost impossible to know

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