Goal contribution of the best players

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Trachta10, Nov 4, 2020.

  1. Jeffersonfv99

    Jeffersonfv99 Member

    Sport recife
    Brazil
    Jul 10, 2021
    Brasil
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  2. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
  3. Jeffersonfv99

    Jeffersonfv99 Member

    Sport recife
    Brazil
    Jul 10, 2021
    Brasil
    Nat'l Team:
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  4. Hugo10

    Hugo10 New Member

    Palmeiras
    Argentina
    Dec 15, 2022
    Stats Pelé 1958

    Most Assists Puskas 388 assists?
     
  5. Hugo10

    Hugo10 New Member

    Palmeiras
    Argentina
    Dec 15, 2022
    Has the Puskas files game by game without esteem updated?
     
  6. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Most non-penalty goals+assists in 3 consecutive seasons (club only)

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    Ordered by the % of goal involvement, this isn't necessary the peak of involvement the player had in 3 seasons.

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    And the "rating" that I do, where assists have a value of 1.5
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  7. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    Cooper Test and VO2 Max of the Brazilian National Team 09/04/1970

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    Maradona had 2550m, I don't know the date but probably before 1986. An Elite football player should have arround 3400m in the 80s.

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  8. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    Calendar year stats of some great players, at least 50 games.


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  9. Jeffersonfv99

    Jeffersonfv99 Member

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    Jul 10, 2021
    Brasil
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    Brazil
    Someone tell me the official numbers of Alex and Riquelme
     
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  10. Gregoire1

    Gregoire1 Member

    Dec 4, 2020
    Have anybody stats of gamewinning goals for Pele? Like for other stars in transfermarkt?
     
  11. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    CA Boca Juniors
    Ferenc Puskás 1948 vs 1960
    Age: 21 and 33

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  12. anamnesis del fútbol

    Apr 9, 2021
    Alex

    956 games
    392 goals
    315 assists

    Riquelme

    644 games
    163 goals
    187 assists
     
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  13. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    CA Boca Juniors
    For Alex de Souza is there a reliable source where the numbers can be corroborated match by match?
    because I tried to verify the assists with videos, in one season where they said that he has the world record, and I found like the 70% of the assists.
     
  14. anamnesis del fútbol

    Apr 9, 2021
    I had to put his stats together like a puzzle. There is not a single source, there are several. Most of his assists are on https://www.fellegger.com.br/assessorados/alex/
     
  15. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Yes I know the web, but is there a way to confirm the numbers with videos or newspapers?

    I tried for one season and just found arround the 70% of the assists, at least if we talk about Opta criteria.
     
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  16. Gregoire1

    Gregoire1 Member

    Dec 4, 2020
    Maybe I missed it, but have anybody stats for headed goals for NT matches and overall career for Ronaldinho, Ronaldo Nazario, Zidane, Zlatan and Platini?
     
  17. qiuyixi

    qiuyixi Member

    Real Madrid
    China
    Aug 7, 2021
    !!!!
     
  18. qiuyixi

    qiuyixi Member

    Real Madrid
    China
    Aug 7, 2021
    The first picture last one Roberto is Rivelino?Can you fiind other player`s 12mins stats?
     
  19. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Reckless deduction of penalties with no context or investigation




    Messi 22 wasn't doing this at all before someone mentions him lol




    A player wins a penalty that is scored by another player
    You dont credit the assist

    A player wins a penalty and scores it
    You dont credit the goal

    In your imaginary world penalties do not exist and have no value in all circumstances


    For this table you even missed Mario jardel 1999/00 to 2001/02 as a legendary 3 season peak

    145 goals in 135 appearances

    Jardel was the real deal
    He top scored in the 1999/00 CL and finished second behind Raul in the 2000/01 CL

    Two European golden shoes in 99 and 2002
    His peak value wasn't less than lewandowski
    His names deserves to be there more than many of these guys

    https://www.brasiliensefc.com.br/20...ki-faz-eu-fiz-por-seis-ou-sete-anos-seguidos/

    Hes not lying BTW
    Even Luis Suarez wasn't better than him at all(maybe against teams like Norwich he was though)

    In 1999/00 jardel scored 10 Cl goals which included
    3 goals against real Madrid
    2 goals vs Barcelona
    2 goals vs Bayern Munich

    He did this playing for sporting lisbon and was likely strung out on cocaine
     
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  20. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    I'm not saying that penalty goals don't exist, but there is a fairly widespread consensus that player comparisons are always fairer if penalties are not taken into account. I think it is quite obvious that a penalty only inflates the statistics. In fact, I originally did count penalties, until a couple of users who know something about football suggested to me that comparisons would be more interesting if they were not counted.

    With respect to assists, that is also the most widespread criterion and is found in most statistics applications and websites, which are the "Opta assists," that is, the last pass to the player who scored the goal.
    And with regard to the list of players, I don't think it needs to be clarified that these are not all players in history, it is a list of those players for whom I have information.
     
  21. Tropeiro

    Tropeiro Member+

    Jun 1, 2018
    George Best is needed, but it seems British Media isn't good in terms of helping with this.
     
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  22. SaidB94

    SaidB94 New Member

    Dec 22, 2022
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  23. SayWhatIWant

    SayWhatIWant Member+

    Jan 10, 2015
    Penalties should not be just substracted in a comparison betwen players who were the main penalty takers for their teams. Thay is very useful information being discarded.
     
  24. anamnesis del fútbol

    Apr 9, 2021
  25. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    That information is not being discarded, the number of penalties is right there on the graph.
    But, when comparing players, it is fairer not to count the penalties.
     

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