Puts 362 assists you can not count estimated so Puskas has 404 assists really 392 vc estimated everything the @anamnesis del fútbol does not estimate equal vc Puskas 392 Pelé 362 Cruijff 358 Messi 350
There are some games that do not have detailed info in 1959. it is fair to make an estimate of those games, because it is almost 100% certain that he made assists on those games. Do you understand? It would be unfair to consider that he did not make any assists in those games, and the number just goes from 362 to 367.
You even have a game that does not count FIFA X1 account the right thing is 818 games and 362 assists and not and 100% sure that Pelé these 5 assists in 1958 can be all in the not opta or even estimated while not having data on these 58 games I'll stay with @anamnesis del fútbol Pelé 818 Games 362 assists 756 goals
First of all this is like 90% my work, I am who found the link to every single match report, and I counted the assists, penalties, free kicks, headers, minutes. Anamnesis and other users like Jefferson helped a lot by correcting some numbers. Of course this does not mean that I am absolutely right, it could have errors. The game against FIFA XI is debatable, once the user Vegan10 told me that he considers these games as official, we could think that these games have a certain value for FIFA, as they were organized by them, and we could consider that they are recognized by FIFA. But of course this is ambiguous, I am inclined to think that they are official.
+2 headed goals 89 headed goals 15/9/1962 Santos 7 x 2 Ferroviaria http://memoria.bn.br/DocReader/DocReaderMobile.aspx?bib=153931_01&Pesq=pele&pagfis=25903
yes, here the user TomNeil found 3 that are not correct https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/goal-contribution-of-the-best-players.2112404/page-63
Does the game against the World XI in 1973 count? Because in that game, Pelé scored a right-footed goal in the 40th minute
I'm not completely sure if these games should count as official, but in this one it seems that Brazil participated in the game as the unofficial team of FUGAP, so I am inclined to think that it must not be official. https://rsssfbrasil.com/sel/observ.htm#braest
Thank you bro, I was confused because Wikipedia lists "Brazil 2-1 World XI" in Pelé's 7 matches for the national team in 1968, but they do not include the "Brazil 2-1 World XI" match of 1973.
Neymar's G+A Record in Finals - 13 Goals + 4 Assists (2 PK) 2011 Copa Libertadores 1st Leg 2011 Copa Libertadores 2nd Leg - 1G 2011 FIFA Club World Cup 2012 CONMEBOL Super Cup 1st Leg - 0 2012 CONMEBOL Super Cup 2nd Leg - 1G 2013 Confederations Cup - 1G 2013 Spanish Supercopa 1st Leg - 1G 2013 Spanish Supercopa 2nd Leg - 0 2014 Copa Del Rey 2015 Copa Del Rey - 1G 2015 Champions League - 1G 2016 FIFA Club World Cup - 2A 2016 Copa Del Rey - 1G 2017 Copa Del Rey - 1G + 1A 2019 French Super Cup 2019 French Cup - 1G + 1A 2019 Copa America 2020 French League Cup 2020 French Cup - 1G 2020 Champions League 2020 French Super Cup - 1G (PK) 2022 French Super Cup - 2G (1 PK)
Trachta10, maybe a little off-topic, but I have a question. I have analyzed your excel sheet which you made about Pele's goals and assists in the game he has played, impressive work btw. Clearly, in all almost all his stats he surpasses Messi. He has more goals, more assists and G+A-P as a percentage of total goals scored by the club in those games. Still you do consider Messi as a better player (which you just recently tweeted), and although I tend to agree with you, I was wondering what your arguments of putting Messi above Pele?
Pelé played 45 minutes, not 90. http://memoria.bn.br/DocReader/DocReaderMobile.aspx?bib=153931_02&Pesq=pele&pagfis=58583
I believe Pelé is the player who stood out the most in the history of football, the one who dominated the game the most. There's no doubt about it. It's literally not humanly possible to have done better than Pelé. But I also believe that standing out nowadays is much harder, mainly because the best players in the world are all playing together in the same leagues, whereas before the best players were spread out in each country. In addition, there is clearly a tactical advance, with better-organized defenses, which is evidenced by the drop in goals per game in all leagues around the world in the 1970s. Physical condition also plays a very important role, the game now is faster, more team-oriented football, all of which nullifies the "technique" of the players and evens things out. Maybe I'm undervaluing the football of those times, and nostalgics won't agree, but that's how I see and understand it. It's really a very different sport. In terms of goal and assist stats, the percentage of participation in the team's total goals is actually very even between the two, it should be taken into account that Pelé's number of assists may be slightly inflated as it is possible that some "deflected assists" are being counted, to give you an idea Messi has 350 Opta assists and 28 deflected, while I have counted 367 for Pelé. But beyond that margin of error, I believe Messi has had better teammates than Pelé and this makes it difficult to maintain such a high percentage. Messi in the current generation has been by far the best in the world. If you analyze the contexts it is practically a draw between the two. In general I go with Messi, he seems to me a technical marvel, he is the total efficiency in football, by far the best dribbler I have seen and an extraordinary goalscorer and playmaker. But it is obviously very difficult to compare between different times, that's why those who really know about football tell you that you can't compare players from different times or tell you not to compare and just enjoy.
Carrying vs being carried Less than 35% goals+assist goal contribution for an attacker=being carried 35% to 45% direct goal contribution= one of the most important players on the team 45%- direct goal contribution= Carrying your teams offensive burden Goal+assist contribution to major titles World Cup Euros Copa America champions league European league Cristiano Ronaldo 2015/16 champions league 16 goals+4 wide assists 28 team goals 71% direct goal contribution Euro 2016 3 goals+3 wide assists 9 team goals 67% direct contribution 2017/18 CL 15 goals+3 wide assists 33 team goals 55% direct goal contribution 2016/17 champions league 12 goals+6 wide assists 36 team goals 50% direct goal contribution Serie A 2019/20 31 goals+6 wide assists 76 team goals 49% direct goal contribution/involvement 2011/12 la liga 46 goals+12 wide assists 121 team goals 48% direct goal contribution premier league 2007/08 31 goals+7 wide assists 80 team goals 48% direct involvement Serie A 2018/19 21 goals+9 wide assists 43% direct goal contribution Premier league 2006/07 17 goals+15 assists 83 team goals 39% direct goal contribution Premier league 2008/09 18 goals+7 wide assists 37% direct goal contribution la liga 2016/17 26 goals+5 wide assists 106 team goals 29% direct goal contribution Marco Van Basten Euro 1988 5 goals+ 2 wide assists 8 team goals 88% direct goal contribution European cup 1988/89 10 goals+2 wide assists 20 team goals 60% direct goal contribution 1991/92 Serie A 25 goals+11 wide assists 74 team goals 49% direct goal contribution 1984/85 Eredivisie 22 goals+19 wide assists 93 team goals 43% direct goal contribution 1989/90 European Cup 3 goals+2 wide assists 12 team goals 42% direct goal contribution 1992/93 Serie A 13 goals+3 wide assists 65 team goals 25% direct goal contribution 1982/83 Eredivisie 9 goals+0 assists 106 team goals 8% direct goal contribution 1987/88 Serie A 3 goals+0 assists 43 team goals 7% direct goal contribution 1993/94 Serie A 0 goals+0 assists 36 team goals 0% direct goal contribution 1993/94 European cup 0 goals+0 assists 21 team goals 0% direct goal contribution 1981/82 Eredivisie 0 goals+0 assists 117 team goals 0% direct goal contribution Romario World Cup 1994 5 goals+3 wide assists 12 team goals 67% direct goal contribution La liga 1993/94 30 goals+8 assists 91 team goals 42% direct goal contribution 1990/91 Eredivisie 25 goals+4 wide assists 84 team goals 35% direct goal contribution 1988/89 Eredivisie 19 goals+3 wide assists 78 team goals 28% direct goal contribution Copa america 1989 3 goals+ 0 assists 11 team goals 27% direct goal contribution Copa América 1997 3 goals+1 wide assist 22 team goals 18% direct goal contribution 1991/92 Eredivisie 9 goals+6 wide assists 82 team goals 18% direct goal contribution Ronaldo nazario World Cup 2002 8 goals+1 wide assist 18 team goals 50% direct goal contribution Copa América 1999 5 goals+2 wide assists 15 team goals 47% direct goal contribution La liga 2002/03 25 goals+5 wide assists 86 team goals 35% direct goal contribution Copa América 1997 5 goals+2 wide assists 22 team goals 32% direct goal contribution World Cup 1994 0 goals+0 assists 12 team goals 0% direct goal contribution Neymar JR 2015/16 la liga 24 goals+16 wide assists 112 team goals 36% direct goal contribution 2014/15 CL 10 goals+0 assists 31 team goals 32% direct goal contribution 2017/18 ligue 1 19 goals+13 wide assists 108 team goals 30% direct goal contribution 2014/15 la liga 22 goals+9 wide assists 110 team goals 28% direct goal contribution 2019/20 ligue 1 13 goals+6 wide assists 75 team goals 25% direct goal contribution 2018/19 ligue 1 15 goals+8 wide assists 105 team goals 22% direct goal contribution 2021/22 ligue 1 13 goals+6 wide asssts 90 team goals 21% direct goal contribution Major titles won Cristiano:13 Van Basten:11 Neymar Jr:7 Ronaldo nazario:5 Times carried team to major titles Minimum 45% goal contribution(goal+ wide assist) Cristiano Ronaldo:7 Marco Van Basten:3 Ronaldo nazario:2 Romario:1 Neymar Jr:0 Times was carried by their team to major titles Less than 35% direct goal contribution(goal+wide assist) Neymar Jr:6 Marco Van basten:6 Romario:4 Ronaldo nazario:2 Cristiano Ronaldo:1
I think you are counting team goals from matches in which the player did not participate. For example, Romario did not play in the 1997 Copa America final, but you counted the goals scored in that match.
Of course I am counting them Those titles were won based on the games Romario participated in and the games Romario did not participate in Why would I discount the final because Romario didn’t participate in it Didn’t Brazil win the trophy? Didn’t Romario collect a winners medal? If Romario didn’t play in a final and his team scored a goal or multiple goals How could I discount those goals if those exact goals won him a winners medal Same rule was applied across the board to everyone else
Goal contributions towards winning a major trophy If I only count the goal contributions in the matches he participated (for example in copa 1997) I would have to discount the final And if I discount the final I would have to discount his 1997 Copa America winners medal As far as I’m aware no knockout competition has ever been won without a final being played Brazil scored 22 goals to win the 1997 copa America They achieved that with Romario and despite Romario I don’t know why you’re so pent up on this final anyways Likehood he would’ve scored is slim He didn’t score in the 1994 World Cup final or the 1993/94 CL final Only real major final he scored in was 89(Copa) EDIT I actually counted competitions for Van basten he didn’t even play one second in(R9 too) But he has a winners medal and if he has a winners medal it’s important to know what he did or didn’t do to achieve that medal