Goal contribution of the best players

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Trachta10, Nov 4, 2020.

  1. xShion

    xShion Member

    Barcelona
    Brazil
    Jan 23, 2022
    Ronaldo Fenômeno

    ️Matches: 19 | 1.541 minutes
    Goals: 16 | 0,93 goals p90
    Assists: 4 | 0,23 assists p90
    G/A: 20 | 1,17 G/A p90
    Goals of team: 43
    Involvement : 47%
     
  2. xShion

    xShion Member

    Barcelona
    Brazil
    Jan 23, 2022
    I say this spreadsheet, only updated.
     

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  3. xShion

    xShion Member

    Barcelona
    Brazil
    Jan 23, 2022
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  4. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    This is just an estimation, only the first two seasons for Juventus are 100% completed, also the national team

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  5. Younes4567

    Younes4567 New Member

    Mar 24, 2022
    Hi trachta . Can you find Gianni" Rivera assist stats ?? According transfermarket ; he had 168 assists . I think he had more ( 250 + )
     
  6. Jeffersonfv99

    Jeffersonfv99 Member

    Sport recife
    Brazil
    Jul 10, 2021
    Brasil
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil

    Neymar has about 19 goals in finals, put him on the list
     
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  7. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Sorry I have not researched Gianni Rivera
     
  8. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Update, players with highest percentage of team goal assisted

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  9. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Charro Moreno 1938 River Plate

    31 games (2790 minutes)

    24 goals (21 headed goals)
    7 assists

    0.774 goals per game (0.677 headed goals per game)
    0.226 assists per game

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  10. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Michel Platini season 1984/85 for Juventus

    47 games (4016 minutes)
    29 goals, 8 penalties, 6 free kicks, 1 headed goal
    11 assists

    G+A-PK per 90: 0.717

    Goal Involvement: 41.10%

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  11. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    spreadsheet updated with free kicks and headed goals

    Pelé

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    Lionel Messi

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    Zico

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    Diego Maradona

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    Cristiano Ronaldo

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    Johan Cruyff

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  12. IceBlood34

    IceBlood34 Member

    Montpellier HSC
    France
    Jan 27, 2021
    Only 206 assists for Maradona ?
    Why not 230 assists for Cristiano Ronaldo?
     
  13. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    It was just a mistake, is 230.
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    For Maradona I reviewed all the games, and there were a few that were deflected assists. If we don't have a video source is probably that some assist counted are actually deflected
     
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  14. anamnesis del fútbol

    Apr 9, 2021
    According to the book it's 181 assists for clubs. Sure you found 2 deflected assists. For NT I found 26 assists with footage, but I see you found one more. In which match did you find another assist for NT?
     
  15. anamnesis del fútbol

    Apr 9, 2021
    With respect to the minutes of Pelé we have some small differences.

    09/10/1961

    Santos 3 x Botafogo SP.

    In this match, Pelé played 88 minutes because he was sent off in the 43rd minute of the 2nd half.

    https://acervo.estadao.com.br/pagina/#!/19610912-26499-nac-0020-999-20-not/tela/fullscreen

    07/23/1967

    Santos 2 x 1 Guarani

    In this match, Pelé played 79 minutes, not 90.

    http://memoria.bn.br/DocReader/DocReader.aspx?bib=153931_01&Pesq=pele&pagfis=71797

    04/07/1969

    Brasil 2 x 1 Peru

    Pelé played 81 minutes, not 75.

    http://memoria.bn.br/DocReader/DocReader.aspx?bib=153931_01&Pesq=pele&pagfis=94268

    https://acervo.estadao.com.br/pagina/#!/19690408-28832-nac-0052-999-52-not/tela/fullscreen
     
  16. anamnesis del fútbol

    Apr 9, 2021
    I see you have 4 penalties for the NT, I have 3. Which penalty did I miss? In total, by my count, Maradona scored 88 of 104 penalties kicked.

     
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  17. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
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  18. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    I also found 26 with the footage available, but that person who made a book of him with stats told me that he has 27 counted. So I took that number.

    About the PK, yes is 3 with the national team, I actually had that number counted in another spreadsheet but forgot to update it with this one

    So this is with the correction

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    Pelé

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    Zico, one more assist, now 206

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  19. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    This is couting penalty shootouts, and is actually not correct

    In game penalties Maradona has 88/104
    In penalty shootouts 4/7

    In total is 92/111
     
  20. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    What is your source?

    Mine is analysts who have sat down and watched 90+ of his career penalties,Asif kapadia (director on the world wide acclaimed movie biopic Maradona) etc
    https://twelveyards.substack.com/p/maradonas-penalty-legacy

    If you want to rely on some less authoritative sources your number is still also incorrect
    https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/what-is-diego-maradona-s-record-in-penalties/blt8308abdd6b4e890b
    Overall we can agree a substantial amount of Maradonas career goals were spot kicks

    Roughly in the ball park of 25%
     
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  21. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    The second link you gave is just using the same table as the first, is not a different source

    I used a book that has all his official games, so I read the description of every goal he scored. There is also a person in Twitter that had his own book with stats that has the same number, 88 penalties (85 in clubs and 3 with the natonal team)

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    I can assure that Maradona had 7 penalties scored with Barcelona in game + one in shootouts against Las Palmas for Copa del Rey, giving a total of 8.

    So, for what I'm seeing that list you show is counting penalty shootouts for clubs but is not couting the ones for Argentina

    Netherlands 79 (shootout, scored)
    Paraguay (in game, scored)
    Ecuador 87 (in game, scored)
    Yugoslavia 90 (shootout, missed)
    Italy 90 (shootout, scored)
    Denmark 93 (shootout, scored)
    Morocco 94 (in game, scored)
     
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  22. anamnesis del fútbol

    Apr 9, 2021
    @Trachta10

    Could you pass me Zico's spreadsheet plus his games in Japan. Also the updated spreadsheets of Puskás and Di Stéfano.
     
  23. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    This spreadsheet don't have free kicks and header goals

    Zico (remember for Japan is just an estimation)

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    Puskás

    I decied to be a little more conservative with the estimation for season 1953,
    previously I had 35, now is 31. Because Puskás assisted the 40% of the goals he didn't score in this season, if I estimate using that number, then the estimation is 35. But if I estimate using his average in Hungray, that is arround 27%, then the estimation is 31.

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    Roberto Baggio

    I still haven't confirmed it 100%, but there is an user on youtube that is uploading all his assists








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  24. anamnesis del fútbol

    Apr 9, 2021
    Thanks.

    1 goal by Puskás was not considered by the referee in his report. So it's ‐1 goal.
     
  25. anamnesis del fútbol

    Apr 9, 2021
    Baggio's high G/A percentage is interesting. I think it is not a minor fact that his teams have the worst goal ratio of all the players analyzed.

    I still believe that players like Puskás have a harder time having a high G/A percentage. Of course, this is not a closed issue. In football everything is debatable.
     

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