Goal contribution of the best players

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Trachta10, Nov 4, 2020.

  1. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    You are right, I actually used a spreadsheet a user send me on twitter and didn't chek the videos.

    This is the table for Maradona corrected, with the same criteria above

    Diego Maradona: 17/35= 48.57%

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  2. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    CA Boca Juniors
    The user Gasipo on twitter send me his spreadsheet, he counted 28, but he also counted the ones vs USSR in 1982 and vs Brazil 1979, so that is -2 assists.
    26 assists so far, but I think he still didn't cover all the matches
     
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  3. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    there must be some but not free
    If you are interested in a player like Platini, this web have all recorded matches of Juventus (highlights only)
    Videos
    https://www.juworld.net/partite-della-juventus.asp?Pagina=7&idc=3
    Platini games
    https://www.myjuve.it/giocatori-juventus/michel-platini-53.aspx

    or for example all Napoli games recorded
    https://www.napolitube.eu/web/video-gol-azioni-del-napoli-calcio.asp?lang=EN&query_mix=primadiego

    https://www.napolitube.eu/web/video-gol-azioni-del-napoli-calcio.asp?lang=EN&query_mix=magica
     
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  4. xShion

    xShion Member

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    Jan 23, 2022
    Do you have any of Zico's games at Udinese?
     
  5. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    Sadly not
     
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  6. gasipo

    gasipo New Member

    Juventus
    Canada
    Jun 8, 2021
    He has 26 from my count
     
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  7. Jeffersonfv99

    Jeffersonfv99 Member

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    Jul 10, 2021
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    Brazil
    @Trachta10 How is the list of best players in Finals?
     
  8. anamnesis del fútbol

    Apr 9, 2021
    Did you review all the NT matches that have footage? Do you have an excel table of Maradona similar to that of Pelé? If you have, pass us on, please.
     
  9. gasipo

    gasipo New Member

    Juventus
    Canada
    Jun 8, 2021
    I have one but I won't share it right now for a few reasons, first of all it's not finished and I'm still searching for potential mistakes that I did and secondly I'll see what I'll do with it but I'd like to make a website similar to messivsronaldo.app but only for Diego, then I'll share it.

    What's for sure is that I'll publish it one day and for free.
     
  10. xShion

    xShion Member

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    Jan 23, 2022
    wow this is amazing. It would be nice to do the same for old players like Pele, Puskas, Cruyff, Zico
     
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  11. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    Updated Pelé and Puskás

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  12. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    Nice (continued) work Trachta. I've probably lost track a bit now, but I'm thinking that the Puskas table no longer has an extrapolated estimate for the Hungarian club assists but that @CristianoPuskas provided good estimates based on newspaper reports?

    Puskas's national team stats are interesting: 84 goals (73 non-penalty goals) and 52 assists from 89 games and still only 39% contribution! That goes to show something about the era he played in, but also about the Hungarian national team he played for in that period of course.
     
  13. IceBlood34

    IceBlood34 Member

    Montpellier HSC
    France
    Jan 27, 2021
    388 assists for Puskas!
    What a player ! The best assister ever
     
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  14. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
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    Real Madrid
    Phenomenal assister no doubt but maybe as PDG1978 has already alluded to assists were much easier to come by on a team with so many attacking options

    You are supplying sandor kocsis

    A player with a 2.2 goal scoring average at world cups

    A player with the highest goalscoring average at international level with over 50 matches played


    By the age of 25 years old in 1954 kocsis had already scored 246 goals in 211 matches for Budapest Honvéd and Ferencvárosi

    The bulk of this was at honved playing alongside the legendary Puskas but kocsis himself was no poaching extraordinaire
    He was a world class creator too in his own right

    Then you come to czibor a ATG wing forward,hidegkuti,bosick the Xavi of his era

    That team was something beyond comprehension






    Before all of this research and uncovering of newspaper articles there were indications of this outrageously good assisting record
    Hidegkuti one of the greatest false 9s in history said about Puskas that he created as many goalscoring opportunities as he scored

    We can only imagine the extent of his fame had he lived and played in the social media era
    You go to any country in the world and say have you heard of Hungary and they will reply
    Puskas

    It doesn't even matter if you're a football historian or casual fan

    Personally before i knew anything about Hungary whether it be the culture,history or anything of that nature i knew of Puskas and this was as a very young kid i might add


    He was a real legendary figure of the 20th century no doubt
    Had he won in 1954 i don't think there is a footballer past or present who would've had a superior narrative
     
  15. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    As far as the topic of this thread goes, 1947/48 is definitely an interesting one for Puskas - 70+% contribution (like I say I'm assuming the assists have been verified via reports, but in any case it's mostly the goals, having not a big proportion scored via penalty also)!

    He had Bozsik as team-mate then (perhaps he was responsible for assisting Puskas a lot that season but I don't know - I guess reports can confirm or refute though), but not Kocsis (who joined Kispest/Honved for 1950 season but was still at Ferencvaros for 1949/50) or Czibor (at Ferenvaros too).

    Obviously 1953, as well as 1950 are notable too (and he was prominent in assisting various national team players including Hidegkuti around 1953), but for pure percentage 1947/48 tops the lot for club level anyway. Maybe it tops any club season (I can't remember if others had a % that high or not as I'm typing, like Maradona maybe in Argentinian football any season, though I could check that on page 1 if I wasn't being lazy so no need to confirm).
     
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  16. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
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    #1266 carlito86, Apr 8, 2022
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2022
    I dont have a source for assists

    If we take the goalscoring by itself

    Ferenc Puskas 1947/48
    50 goals/82 team goals
    60% direct involvement
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947–48_Nemzeti_Bajnokság_I

    Eusebio 1967/68
    42 goals/75 team goals
    56% direct involvement
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967–68_Primeira_Divisão

    They could be in the same range


    I think one has to take into consideration Hungary was completely decimated by war with one of the most abhorrent scenes of the war taking place 4 years earlier in the capital (200,000~ casualties and 200,000 rapes~ in a 50 day span)
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Budapest
    Untold horrors that no doubt left a mark on every part of society

    Its also been said Puskas played for the regime team in the immediate aftermath of war
    Im not remotely an expert on this subject but i think context is extremely important


    Regarding Eusebio and his record haul in 1967/68
    if i recall correctly tropiero showed 17 of his 42 league goals were penalties
     
  17. anamnesis del fútbol

    Apr 9, 2021
    1 year before Puskás, Deák had possibly the greatest goal contribution in history. He scored 48 goals out of 70. That shows that it is easier to have a higher goal contribution on worse teams. With this information, I don't want to say that Deák isn't amazing. What's more, I think Deák was a better scorer than Puskás or Kocsis. However, poachers are historically despised. That is why Deák was dropped from the Hungarian national team in favor of Hidegkuti, who was liked by coach Sebes.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1946–47_Nemzeti_Bajnokság_I
     
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  18. anamnesis del fútbol

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  19. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

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    Yeah, the assists of only 17 out of 718 games are estimated, that means the 97.6% of the games of Puskás are already covered

    https://nela.hu/jatekos/5336/Puskás_Ferenc

    this web that CP send me, have data of all players that played in the hungarian football since 1937 (assists, header goals, penalties)
     
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  20. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    I wasn't able to know who made the assists game by game, only the total number in the season, in season 1947/48 players that provided more assists playing for Kispest

    https://nela.hu/nch/nch_clb_ses.php?id_szezon=82&id_klub=49

    Berés András: 13
    Mészáros József: 13
    Puskás Ferenc: 10
    Budai László: 8
    Bozsik József: 6
     
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  21. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

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    Yeah, I did just check now (refreshed my memory) and Maradona's
    Wow, yeah, that's a good source then by the looks of it. Here are some other notable players pages (the ones we were mentioning earlier: Nandor Hidegkuti, Jozsef Bozsik, Sandor Kocsis, Zoltan Czibor, plus Karoly Sandor, Ferenc Bene, Florian Albert, Tibor Nyilasi, Lajos Detari, but there could be other interesting ones to look into - Puskas is I guess the main option for your thread though, along with Sarosi as discussed already)
    Hidegkuti Nándor - Nemzeti Labdarúgó Archívum (nela.hu)
    Bozsik József - Nemzeti Labdarúgó Archívum (nela.hu)
    Kocsis Sándor - Nemzeti Labdarúgó Archívum (nela.hu)
    Czibor Zoltán - Nemzeti Labdarúgó Archívum (nela.hu)
    Sándor Károly - Nemzeti Labdarúgó Archívum (nela.hu)
    Bene Ferenc - Nemzeti Labdarúgó Archívum (nela.hu)
    Albert Flórián - Nemzeti Labdarúgó Archívum (nela.hu)
    Nyilasi Tibor - Nemzeti Labdarúgó Archívum (nela.hu)
    Détári Lajos - Nemzeti Labdarúgó Archívum (nela.hu)
     
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  22. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
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    Yeah, that one is actually a different Budai, but this one joined the club later (and played quite a lot for the Magic Magyar era Hungarian team) - his assist tallies are shown as being higher with Ferencvaros
    Budai II László - Nemzeti Labdarúgó Archívum (nela.hu)

    Maybe interesting to see this post, re: the assist tallies of Albert and Bene for 1967 and 1968 (perhaps not in line with what might be expected given the ratings, to some extent?)
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/b...e-season-1967-68.2102838/page-2#post-37653301
     
  23. xShion

    xShion Member

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    Jan 23, 2022
    Incredible work! Do you have one of those with the Platini and Beckenbauer numbers? I mean, with the number of goals, assists and penalties
     
  24. anamnesis del fútbol

    Apr 9, 2021
    @Trachta10 can you pass me the updated table of Maradona?
     
  25. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    It's league games only on the site I think isn't it, but I see in terms of individual seasons both Kocsis in 1952 and 1953, and Hidegkuti in 1949/50 and 1952 have about (or exactly) 50% goal contribution then apparently for their clubs in the Hungarian league, playing all the games, and not scoring penalties.

    Career wise I guess there would be a bit of a drop down from that though.

    I haven't checked everyone above thoroughly yet by the way - just browsing through a little bit this morning and picking out likely high contribution seasons.
     

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