Goal contribution of the best players

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Trachta10, Nov 4, 2020.

  1. Sexy Beast

    Sexy Beast Member+

    Dinamo Zagreb
    Croatia
    Aug 11, 2016
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Doesnt seem right. Wtf. Did they change how they record top speed?

    What is going on?
     
  2. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    If the difference is interesting, maybe it’s due to improved GPS accuracy? Although you can see there’s an increase in each edition — 2014 is better than 2010, and 2022 is better than 2018. It would be strange if the method were different between 2018 and 2022, for example, so it’s probably a real increase in speed. Although the 2010 case is quite low, maybe in that case it really is a different method. I could only find a few matches.

    Argentina vs Greece 2010
    Argentina vs Switzerland 2014
    Argentina vs Nigeria 2018
    Argentina vs France 2022

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    Messi 2010
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    Messi 2014
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    Messi 2018
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    2022
    https://www.fifatrainingcentre.com/media/native/world-cup-2022/report_128083.pdf
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  3. Sexy Beast

    Sexy Beast Member+

    Dinamo Zagreb
    Croatia
    Aug 11, 2016
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    I wonder if weather has anything to do with it. In Qatar there was so called optimum conditions for human performance.
     
  4. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  5. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Changing the subject, I’d like to know your opinion about this. I was analyzing how CONMEBOL and UEFA national teams performed in World Cups (only games against each other) depending on whether the matches were played in the Americas, in Europe, or on neutral ground. Interestingly, it’s quite evident that when the tournament was played in Europe, UEFA teams won more often, and when it was played in the Americas, CONMEBOL teams did better. Why do you think this happens? Is it the result of a psychological factor?
    I’ve even noticed that African teams performed better when the World Cup was held in South Africa, and Asian teams did better in Korea–Japan 2002, like the case of Turkey or South Korea. There’s also the case of Morocco in Qatar 2022, which, although they’re in different continents, are geographically close and culturally similar.
    It’s as if the teams’ performance improves when they feel like they’re playing at home.

    CONMEBOL vs UEFA in the World Cup
    Wins-Draws-Wins
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  6. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  7. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    First 100 Official Games
    Maradona-Messi-Di Stéfano

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  8. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors

    Pelé and C.Ronaldo added

    [​IMG]
     
  9. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  10. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #5935 carlito86, Oct 24, 2025
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2025
  11. Frank73

    Frank73 Member

    Inter Milan
    Brazil
    Mar 22, 2025
    Italy
  12. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #5937 carlito86, Oct 27, 2025
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2025
    This was Daniel Bertonis freekick goal against Verona in Serie A 1985/86
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    Napoli beat Verona 5-0 in this game

    In this database
    Diego Maradona Pre-A
    That Bertoni FK is listed as a “pre assist I” for Diego Maradona(he is credited with 5 goal involvements in this game which is a lie)



    And one of his assists was never an assist.
    At least not in my book and neither in the mind of any rational minded person

    I’m referring to this fake assist on the 5-0 goal scored vs Verona 85/86 by Eraldo pecci
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    What a complete joke @Trachta10
    All of this cheating adds up
     
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  13. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Non-Penalty Goals + Assists Per90 Entire Career

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  14. Prasenjit

    Prasenjit Member

    Barcelona
    Argentina
    Aug 25, 2025
    Only opta assists?
     
  15. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Yes
     
  16. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Total Goal Contribution% by Periods

    Assist+ is Assists (Opta and Non-Opta) + Pre-Assists (Opta and Non-Opta)
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    This is Non-Penalty Goals + Assists (Opta and Non-Opta) + Pre-Assists (Opta)
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    So this is, removing penalty goals and removing "non-opta pre-assists"
     
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  17. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    #5942 Trachta10, Nov 5, 2025
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2025
    Pelé 1957-1959 vs Pelé 1972-1974

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    1957-1960 vs 1971-1974
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  18. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Pelé Evolution

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  19. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Great Periods
    Pelé 1959-1965
    Messi 2015-2019
    Messi 2010-2014
    Mbappé 2021-2025 (so far)
    C.Ronaldo 2011-2015

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  20. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Pelé played 819 official games

    Total stats of Messi and Cristiano in their first 819 games

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  21. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Great Periods

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  22. Al Gabiru

    Al Gabiru Member

    Jan 28, 2020
    Twitter’s Grok now is able to access the Brazilian website memoria.bn and collect the assists of any Brazilian player from the past

    Question:

    Grok's answer

    Apparently their AI is capable of collecting data from any player on this brazilian site
     
  23. Betrayed@Krondor

    Jul 11, 2023
    It may be able to. It's far more likely to just feed you back your own words in a form it thinks you'd like to hear.

    Even under the best case scenario, you'll have to double-check every single game it gives you. Which does nothing to properly eliminate the games it didn't mention.
     
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  24. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors

    I doubt this is real. I’m no expert, but the amount of text it would have to process and analyze is so huge that I don’t think any free AI can do that today. Plus, there’s no specific way for it to know exactly where to look, the AI would have to analyze all the text on the memoria.bn website? Something like that should take even an AI many hours of work, mostly because of the limitations of memoria.bn’s own servers.

    Also, the assist numbers it shows there are impossibly high, so this is very likely an AI hallucination. It’s like it’s telling you it can do something but it’s actually faking it. I wish it were true though.

    Do you think you could ask it to look up a specific match? One that’s not well known, some random Paulista match. We could check if the info it gives is real or hallucinated.
     
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  25. Gregoire

    Gregoire Member

    Mar 22, 2011
    Imagine how much cheating is in these "numbers" of such Maradona nuth*gger... Its crazy...
     

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