I get what you are trying to say, but I think it’s wrong to assume that GC% is a better measure of a player’s true quality just because it stays “stable” across teams or eras. Stability alone doesn’t mean a stat reflects individual ability. It just means the stat is insensitive to the player’s actual production. GC% depends heavily on how much the team scores without him, not on what he directly contributes. A player in a weaker team could look artificially better on GC% simply because his teammates score less independently. Let me illustrate this with an example. Imagine Player A in a team that scores very few goals independently, and Player B in a team that scores many goals without him. Player A and Player B both produce exactly the same goals and assists per match. GC% will make Player A look “better” than Player B, even though their actual individual output is identical. So stability across eras or teams doesn’t tell us who the player actually is. It only tells us about the performance of the teams around him. Put another way: G/A may vary depending on teammates, tactics, or era, but it reflects the player’s direct output. That variation is meaningful, because it captures the player’s actual contribution per match. GC%, on the other hand, masks the differences in production by shifting the baseline according to team scoring. If we want to compare players across eras in terms of individual quality, we should care about what they actually did per match, not how stable the surrounding context makes their percentage look.
Peter Gabriel ..1978 ... is totally wrong there . ! Puskas had much more skill than he did in this match against England. Away game in Wembley Stadium .... This game against England...in 1953... was considered highly difficult Away-game .... Puskas against Iugoslavia 1952 .. gave nice sombreros and las fintas ... Puskas against England .. Home-game 7 vs 1 ...What a Show ...gave one nutmeg ...or one drible de vaca .... then... the english defender .. drop down ..on the ground ... by Puskas ,..Body-Balance .. in 1954 ... Puskas amazing dribble against Scotland Away-game ....then ... Hidegkuti's Goal .. dribble called de Boina ...in Brazil, here .....1954 ....] Here I see a huge error in Peter Gabriel's assessment of Puskas in 1978. He's limiting Puskas. The game against England is the most difficult away game. England was undefeated at Wembley Stadium.
... Iugoslavia Team 1952 ... counting..with great names with the Genius Bernard Vukas and the famous goalkeeper called Vladimir Beara ... ............ .. Legendary Yugoslav Football Team | Helsinki 1952
............ .. Ferenc Puskás "Pancho" --Best goals & skills-- - YouTube Go to directly ..... 00 : 39 seconds at video there ... ..Olympic Games ..1952 ... one Nice sombrero .... then ... great Technique ..to hold the ball possession there . "!
Again you are equating individual output in ga with individual ability. Lets play this game. Lets make it concrete enough and say player A is Cristiano and player B is Bale. They are similar type of players to some extent. And lets say they both play right winger, the same role, the same dependany level, etc. Lets say they play in parallel universes in exactly the same team, the same great teammates: Benzema, Ribery, Modrić, etc.. and lets ignore comllimentarity and chemistry for this example. They all fit perfectly together in case of Cristiano and Bale. Now lets say that Cristianos and Bales G/A per game is exactly the same in both cases. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE is that in case of Cristiano, his teammates scored additional 0,8 goals per game, while in the case of Bale they scored 1,0 goals per game. Meaning that the same teammates, and everything else being the same, produced 0,2 goals per game less in the case of Cristiano. That makes gc% this: For Cristiano: Cristiano: 1,0 GC per game Teammates: 0,8 goals per game Team total: 1,0 + 0,8 = 1,8 goals per game Critiano gc%: 1,0 GC per game / 1,8 team goals = 56% For Bale: Bale: 1,0 GC per game Teammates: 1,0 goals per game Team: 2,0 goals per game Bale gc%: 50% Now, who is more impressive in this case? ... After you answer that, you can answer was Gyokeres a better player the last season when he had 64 GC in 49 games than Haaland in his treble winning team (2023 season) when he had 61 GC in 53 games? Individual stats suggest he was. So what is about that?
.... .. Peter Gabriel ...1978 ... would be speaking on Ferenc Puskas .... at Real Madrid years .. where that Puskas...became .... more one Shadow Striker or Complete Forward ,,or Center-Forward with great technique ...yes for sure ..vision ... yet with great passing skills but Less dribbles ..., Show .. Art ... movements ... whole defensive actions in general ... another role .. in that age ,, at Real Madrid years .
If in your hypothetical scenario Ronaldo and Bale registered the exact same number of goals and assists playing for different teams with the only caveat being that Ronaldo’s teams scored significantly less than Gareth Bales then yes Ronaldo’s statistics would be more impressive Provided that Ronaldo and bale played in the same league,at the same time,against the same defences and in games officiated by the exact same referees But your hypothetical doesn’t map neatly to reality because unlike Ronaldo and Bale playing under identical conditions Gyökeres 24/25 and Haaland 22/23 did not play in identical environments. There’s no clearer measure of whether players are in identical environments than the quality of opposition they face. If Gyökeres posts slightly higher raw goal contributions in Portugal than Haaland did in the Premier League that doesn’t automatically mean he was the “better player” or had the “better season.” Context is everything League quality, strength of defenses, teammates, competition level and what those goals translated to in terms of trophies. Maradona’s fans (the biggest ones on this thread) hate winning,they hate trophies and they hate longevity because their idol only won 4 major trophies in his career,their idol never won fairly and their idol was a completely washed up player by 29 years old.
..... ... What do you think so about brazilian haters Of C. Ronaldo ??? Brazilian journalists and Brazilian players haters ??? I saw a program that made me very sad, honestly...]] So much envy, jealousy, and hatred for C. Ronaldo in BRazil ! majority without arguments and concrete facts against C. Ronaldo ... I talk to you really discouraged and sad with these incredibly envious Brazilians.
Yes, I think it's best that you don't try to make adjustments, so that you keep your formula and results factual (or at least a good estimation - there has to be some question on some assists of course for various players, due to using match reports and/or lacking some verified data etc). But at the same time, factual doesn't mean perfect for an indicator of individual quality/effectiveness. Using a coin flipping analogy, I would change it to a dice analogy, where the Hungary dice has somewhat more chance of landing on a Hidegkuti, Kocsis, Czibor or Bozsik (and ditto the 'assister dice') than the Italy one does on a Baggio team-mate with Italy (and similar can be said re: Honved as compared to Fiorentina, Bologna, Brescia, even Juventus probably). But I don't think this factor would be close to as strong as the era/league factor that means Puskas has bigger goal/assist tallies (the capability of his team-mates even enhancing that) so yeah GC% should surely be a fairer or more accurate way to attempt a comparison between them than G/A per game anyway (or it needs less of a caveat in effect I guess).
..... .. 1992/1993 ....season ..... 14 Udinese 30 34 10 10 14 42 48 −6 Desempate do rebaixamento 15 Brescia 30 34 9 12 13 36 44 −8 Serie B após o desempate Baggio 5 goals vs. Udinese 1992 Roberto Baggio vs Udinese 1993/94 Serie A - His best ever game 15 Piacenza 30 34 8 14 12 32 43 −11 Zona de rebaixamento à Serie B de 1994–95 16 Udinese 28 34 7 14 13 35 48 −13
Yes, I think, like I said to Trachta, that GC% as a factual calculation (with some questions on assist totals or margin for error in some cases) is a valid stat for sure. I think it would be closer than raw G/A per game data if using it as a guide list to great attacking players through the eras, but it still shouldn't be seen as a definitive unarguable guide (I'm not really sure Trachta suggests this, and I'm pretty sure you don't anyway though).
... The Tactical Modernity of Hungary's Golden Team - YouTube Looking the Video here ... in Brazil ...] is pretty nice the work ...from the Team there ... Tactical Advantages of Inverted Wingers 1. Midfield Overloads One of the biggest advantages of inverted wingers is their ability to create numerical superiorities in central areas. By drifting into midfield, they add extra bodies, making it harder for the opposition to maintain defensive compactness. This overload enables better ball circulation, quick one-touch passing combinations, and more options for progression through the middle. is nice there ... Budai ... drop deeper ... like right winger play-maker ... indented ... to attract the opponent players ... for a while .. Czibor .... transforms... himself ... like a right winger advanced .. to work into the channels ...there and attacking open-space .. behind in the defense ..there ..... creating natural overloads really on my view at Least . !
well, Less love for Baggio and more Love for Puskas .. to balance the scales of weight on the Middle Path of Buddhism to both players . "!
on the Genius Ruben Sosa ! Uruguay[1] Copa América: 1987, 1995 Individual CONMEBOL Copa América Most Valuable Player of the Tournament: 1989[27] over Bebeto and Romário in Brazil ... Pirata d'Oro (Internazionale Player Of The Year): 1993[28] Uruguayan Primera División Top scorer: 1998[29] Copa Libertadores Top scorer: 1999[30] 30 9- 7-87 Buenos Aires Uruguay 0-1 Copa América...... Ruben Sosa .....Alzamendi ..Francescoli ..Enzo .. ...... .. 31 14- 7-89 Rio de Janeiro Uruguay 0-2 Copa América 2 Goals by Ruben Sosa.... Diego won ...yet in the first phase from this competition ... Grupo A Pos Seleção Pts J V E D GP GC SG 1 Paraguai 6 4 3 0 1 9 4 5 2 Brasil 6 4 2 2 0 5 1 4 Grupo B Pos Seleção Pts J V E D GP GC SG 1 Argentina 6 4 2 2 0 2 0 2 2 Uruguai 4 4 2 0 2 6 2 4 ..... ,.. Fase final Na fase final, as quatro seleções classificadas foram colocadas num único grupo. Ao final de todos os jogos realizados, a seleção que terminasse na primeira colocação seria a campeã da competição. Pos Seleção Pts J V E D GP GC SG 1° Brasil 6 3 3 0 0 6 0 6 2° Uruguai 4 3 2 0 1 5 1 4 14 de julho de 1989 19:30 Uruguai 2 : 0 Argentina Maracanã, Rio de Janeiro Sosa 38', 81' Público: 45,000 Árbitro: BRA Arnaldo César Coelho
Mejor Jugador de la Copa América 1987 in Argentina ...La tierra del Dios de lo Futbol Carlos Valderrama == colombian Ruud Gullit . ! hahahaha !!!
Brazil is a country of 200 million They have great people like Isaiah on one hand and others, who claim to be homo sapien, like tropeiro, on the other hand. And in real life I have many Brazilian friends Not one or two or five but many I was born and still live in a part of London that has a sizeable Brazilian community Fake news outlet Facebook and attention seeking interviews are not representative of what Brazilians think and feel about Cristiano You only have to take a look at the mania surrounding him in WC 2014 and that was not an eternity ago World Cup 2014: Cristiano Ronaldo mania grips Brazil - BBC Sport The people who know about football don’t talk shit Pelé in 2022 1483729694558089216 is not a valid tweet id ———————- Romario in 2018 “I love Messi, he's great, but it must also be said Cristiano Ronaldo is among the five best players in history," Football: Romario: I love Messi, but Cristiano Ronaldo is among the five best players in history ————————— Rivaldo in 2019 “There are many people who criticize Cristiano unfairly, and perhaps it is because they are envious of his success," Rivaldo: People who criticize Ronaldo are envious of his success | All Football ————- Zico in 2024 “I regret never meeting Cristiano Ronaldo. I’d love to shake his hand and congratulate him on his career. If I were starting my soccer journey today, Ronaldo would be my role model,” Brazilian legend Zico weighs in on whether Cristiano Ronaldo is the best player of all time - Bolavip US ————— Kaka in November 2007 “Cristiano Ronaldo is the best player in the world not only for his technical ability, but also for what he has done with Portugal” Ronaldo best says Kaka | Football News | Sky Sports —————— Marcelo in 2017 “For me, Cristiano is the best player in the world," Marcelo said "I haven't seen Diego Maradona or Pele play. However, what I know is that there is no comparison." There's no comparison, Ronaldo is best – Marcelo | FourFourTwo —————— Dani alves in 2022 “I love Cristiano Ronaldo. Now that we're no longer at Barcelona and Real Madrid, it seems that I can talk, because it always seemed like I couldn't," "Cristiano exemplifies, for all of us, the best example of what we can do. Cristiano exemplifies, for all of us who don't have so much quality, that with hard work you can also compete against the best. "I respect him a lot and I had the opportunity to tell him that." Barcelona Dani Alves' unexpected confession about Cristiano Ronaldo: Now that I'm not at Barcelona it seems like I can talk ——————— Neymar in 2012 Cristiano is an idol, I've been following him since I started out in football", he admits. "He's a genius, Neymar: "Cristiano is a genius, an idol" - MARCA.com (English version) ——————- Ronaldinho in 2019 "Cristiano Ronaldo is complete, he has it all. So does Messi, but it's a question of taste and I prefer Messi's style." What the football greats have said about the Lionel Messi-Cristiano Ronaldo debate - with a clear winner - The Mirror —————— Rivelino in 2015 “One day someone asks me: who do you want, Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo? I had said Cristiano Ronaldo because he was more decisive," "But now Messi showed me more and the same question today I would say Messi. He has changed my concepts on him. Messi has surpassed Ronaldo, says Rivellino | FourFourTwo ——————————- Clodoaldo in 2018 “Cristiano is fantastic. Spectacular. A wonderful human being. The story we hear about Cristiano Ronaldo... we root a lot for him. “Unfortunately he plays for a national team that doesn’t have a strong tradition in the World Cup, and the chances of him winning a World Cup are remote, in contrast to hallowed players like Maradona, Pele and others." Clodoaldo acclaims Cristiano, Messi and Neymar ———————- Ronaldo nazario in 2018 “With his incredible attitude, with his incredible winning mentality, Cristiano Ronaldo is a unique player," "He is also technically very well versed," the Brazilian continued "Time will tell what position history has reserved for him. "The best thing that could've happened was to move to Real Madrid, but at Manchester United it was incredible the number of goals he scored. "At Real he's become even more complete, but the truth is that winning a World Cup always helps when it comes to entering history as the greatest." Ronaldo: Cristiano is unique, but I admit that Messi adds more magic to football —————————- Marta in 2017 “In the last few years I have been following Real Madrid more because I am in touch with some of the players and because I have a great admiration for Cristiano Ronaldo. I admire his dedication to his profession, his work and his winner's mentality - he always wants to win everything and he takes good care of himself to maintain himself in top shape. He has an immense ability to bounce back during the most difficult times. He's always very focused and sure of himself and what he does. What I like about him is that whenever the team needs him, he's there, without fail. He's the player I follow the most. When he played for Manchester United, I followed Manchester United. So these days, I support Madrid because of him.” Marta: "Cristiano's winner's mentality is the reason why I support Real Madrid" - AS USA ———————— Felipe Scolari in 2008 "It has been a great season for Cristiano Ronaldo," he told Sport. "He is also regarded as the best player in the world now. He never stops working. Sometimes, when we ask him to slow down in order to avoid injury, he wants to work even harder. "You give him some task and he wants more. This is what I like about him most, as well as the way he treats people." I know both Ronaldinho and Cristiano well said Scolari. "Some time ago I was hoping that Cristiano might reach Ronaldinho's level and that time has come. "He is the best in the world - as a personality, as a sportsman, as a member of the national team and as a young lad whose progress I have been following in the past years." Scolari hails Ronaldo effort | Football News | Sky Sports ————————- Vinicius Jr in 2023 “If Cristiano Ronaldo says I am the best player in the world then I am the best player in the world” Cristiano Ronaldo calls Rodri's Ballon d'Or win 'unfair,' names Vinicius Jr. as rightful winner - World Soccer Talk
well , some pro C. Ronaldo ..yes ..exist yes .. But the most brazilian people .. ..hate him ..too much comparing him with Paulo Henrique Ganso ...and speaking ..that Ganso was much better ... What a bizarre thing .. or madness ... " Total " .. !
On that hypothetical scenario I would see both as equally impressive as both are on the same context and producing the same output. Teammates of Ronaldo scoring less goals doesn't make him better than Bale who's having the exact same output. On Gyokeres yeah, I think he had so many G/A because he played on a weaker league. Haaland is far more impressive because he did it on the strongest league in the world while Gyokeres did it on the 6th/7th strongest european league.
At international level I don’t think anyone would dispute that Kylian Mbappe is a better performer for France than Thierry Henry At international level Anyone arguing against this wouldn’t be doing so in good faith IMO Club level is a different discussion I think Mbappe has now surpassed Henry but I won’t strongly disagree with someone who thought otherwise. Mbappe has one really weak area of his career and that is the Euros Henry has several(ligue 1,Serie A and yes even arguably La Liga) Thierry Henry represented 5 different club teams in his career Monaco Juventus Arsenal Barcelona New York Red Bulls Thierry Henry at Arsenal 228 goals in 377 appearances 0.60 goals per game Thierry Henry at Monaco,Juventus, Barcelona and New York Red Bulls 132 goals in 417 appearances 0.31 goals per game Thierry Henry - Wikipedia There are many enemies of longevity here but Thierry Henry isn’t one of them. Thierry Henry: I wasn’t born with a gift for goals | Thierry Henry | The Guardian