...... ... Praasen " the little boy " ........ is forgetting at least one very very important detail... Praasen... is only looking at Gullit's stats by total appearances. But not per 90 minutes played... in 1988-1989;;; season Gullit... has one of the best player in the World stats per 90 minutes played in all of history.... for example ... Gullit came on in the second half of the Match against Finland...in May 1989... .. Gullit... playing as a Mezzala central-midfielder made some really cool plays , dribbles and crossing style , similar to Luis Figo or Sir Stanley Matthews... There was an old version of PES... Pro Evolution Soccer there were... exercises... to practice dribbles Style like Sir Stanley Matthews... I mean the combinations between dribbles and crossing...is pretty cool.. Gullit did it everything in only per 35 minutes played against Finland . ! i'll show you at video .. Finland vs Netherlands | Full Match | 1990 World Cup Qualifier | May 31, 1989 Go to directly 1 : 25 : 00 minutes at video .... Gullit the first Play ... dribbles and crossing combinations ... like Matthews and Figo abit ... Go to directly .. 1 : 29 : 49 minutes at video there ..... Gullit's Assist (Opta ) and great play .... to Wim Kieft !
Nobody accidentally types 2002 instead of 1992. A plausible typo/mistake could be off by up to five years. If you’d claimed Gullit flopped in Euro 1996, that would at least be a borderline believable mistake. After all he did play at a good level for Chelsea in 1995/96. But you actually believed Gullit played in the fictional Euro 2002. That’s a fact just like the other ‘fact’ you believe: that he was a bad player in Serie A 1988/89. The funny thing here is that you adore Maradona despite knowing almost nothing about him, and you dislike Gullit despite knowing even less.
What question did you ask? I just asked whether or not CG% was better than G/A in comparing players in different teams/eras (I don't remember the exact question now, but I didn't ask for an argument that it was, and didn't give a leading question - the software should have felt free to say it was or wasn't, and in fact to give a balanced answer like it did, indicating some limitations of GC%). "Raw tallies are easier to compare across different teams and seasons' seems like nonsense, but I'm noting the sub-title why raw tallies can be better and thinking you asked for an argument as to why they might be better? Raw goals and assists tallies do rely on team context - nobody who knows football can think otherwise surely? Isaias has argued as such too (maybe Isaias's current argument though is, or should be, more about looking at goals and assist numbers and then applying independent context rather than using a GC% formula....not taking goals/assists tallies in different times and situations and directly comparing them): https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/g...ootball-history.2088557/page-55#post-42924666 https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/g...ootball-history.2088557/page-46#post-42914774
What’s actually really funny here is that Ruud Gullit in 1988/89 had a higher non penalty goal+assist ratio than Diego Maradona I did not know this until I just checked it now The very good Diego Maradona in 1988/89(all comps) 0.74 non penalty goals+ assists per 90 The very bad Ruud Gullit in 1988/89(all comps) 0.81 non penalty goals+ assists per 90 Ruud gullit played in the champions league Diego Maradona played in the UEFA Cup Diego Maradona - Stats 88/89 (Detailed view) | Transfermarkt Ruud Gullit - Stats 88/89 | Transfermarkt And the irony here is that in the 1988/89 European Cup Ruud Gullit and Milan were actually helped by the hand of god How the Belgrade fog saved the great AC Milan team of 1988-89 - BBC Sport Whilst Diego Maradona in the 1988/89 UEFA Cup was assisted by the hand of fraud The Diego Maradona magic that helped Napoli lift the 1989 UEFA Cup
You are right it was a friendly. Indeed I had in my mind that while in Argentina Maradona had only Argentinian championship games as club games. I don't know why I changed my mind and seemed to remember it was a Libertadores match.
Sure, he definitely will be showing up well with GC% (but moreso with G/A per 90 mins I guess at least, and IIRC with your original goals + OPTA assists GC% method, and non-penalty goals + OPTA assists method he wasn't right in the elite category as such? - it's a while ago since we looked at those older tables and seasonal/yearly breakdowns though of course and I hadn't gone back to double check those - but we know for career GC% that C.Ronaldo himself is not the benchmark, hence some of the recent discourse and arguments I suppose - we understand too I'm sure that while 50%+ over career or even individual season was very much standing out with just OPTA assists, when non-OPTA ones are added then all player percentages will be increased and 60% results exist you've shown IIRC haven't you?). I remember you talking about Puskas vs Van Basten (and GC%, rightly probably I think by the way, narrowing or erasing any big gap between them that existed with G/A tallies, because of era and because of Serie A mainly moreso than Eredivisie, and also because of NT contexts despite that MvB ended with a starring role and a major trophy in 1988 and Puskas didn't end with one of the main major trophies as such but played many 'International games' that weren't really like friendlies but more akin to 'test matches' it could be said, with no European Championships existing before 1960 for example, so only one prestige tournament for NTs). So obviously he shows up relatively better on a list based on G/A than on a GC% list doesn't he at least? I feel like if anything his GC% context is a bit disadvantaged by playing in the '5 forwards' era with many goals, and having some prolific team-mates in goals, and to an extent assists too probably. He was integral and decisive, but not everything depended on him end product wise I''d suggest anyway at least.
Nobody accidentally types 2002 instead of 1992.this is called delusion.too much false wisdom (about others) is injurious to health.funnier thing is you hate M10 without knowing anything about his footballing prowess.
Puskas is below Zico here for example too (and quite far from Pele), while his teams goals column is showing a significantly higher number. But I guess Trachta you feel his GC% is not far from realistic in estimating his end product quality/efficiency etc; at least less far than his G/A tallies (I do agree on that point yeah, like I would do for a Josef Bican or suchlike too I guess from similar times - Bican played in teams with less other stars though of course so that's not such a factor as for Puskas and it's more totally about correcting for the era differences in his case maybe I guess).
Nothing against @Praasen when I repped this btw (I read it upside down at first lol, scrolling up the post and repped before I read all of it), but I'm leaving the rep for the references to the Finland game and observations of Wiliam about Gullit's play in it anyway, which I think is fair/merited (and I wouldn't want to remove the rep once Wiliam saw I gave it of course - but yeah I'm not taking sides in arguments here or something Praesen - this clarification can be good maybe).
Gullit was the victim of the worst offside decision in the history of football vs. Real Madrid. If this goal was counted, it would have equaled Diego Maradona's total career goals in European competitions (5 goals in 25 UEFA Cup and European Cup games) in a single campaign!
An all time great South American player(allegedly the greatest) never playing in the Copa libertadores is a categorical failure by every single standard definition of the word. Don’t lean too much on Alfredo Di stefano(that he also never played in that competition) The competition started after he left the continent and he scored the exact same amount of CL final goals as ferenc puskas and that angle has already been completely covered. Puskás scored more non penalty goals in just three Champions League finals than Maradona did across his entire career in every major continental competition combined outside of the World Cup. Alfredo Di stefano scored more non penalty goals in just five Champions League finals than Maradona did across his entire career in every major continental competition combined outside of the World Cup. Pick your poison
Even as a victim Ruud gullit scored as many goals in European Cup finals(2) as Diego Maradona scored in his entire European Cup career(2).
Take some counselling.dangerous to carry on like this.with a goat club team it's lot easier as I've already said.
I have nothing against Diego (as a footballer), but Maradona's scoring was horrendous in European competitions. Of course Gullit had a better team than Diego ever did, but there is a limit in correlation to your team vs. your scoring rate, and Diego's is historically bad for a superstar in the European Cup (even taking into account his midfield role).
A couple of footages to know a bit more of the alleged unprecedented (and then unmatched) wonder 1980 Maradona. First sample: Austria Argentina 1-5 (May 1980). Only Diego's hat-trick in the albiceleste shirt. One aspect clearly meets the eye immediately: in his early years he played as a full-blooded centravanti (at least for the NT). Second sample: Argentina URSS 1 1 (winter 1980). Same as before, but ..Wait! That is not goal!! No and No!! The ball entered the net though a lateral hole!!
I spoke about Ruud Gullit's serie a performance in 1988-89,,not all competitions.secondly, with 1-1 and 3-3 scoreline,napoli still wins the uefa cup without the handball.moreso the last 2 goals Stuttgurt scored were from the laziness of napoli defence,as they were up 3-1 and took it a bit lightly which won't have happened if the trophy was on the rope. 3rdly,why do you worry about penalty goals from maradona when you yourself think goals are the most clutch thing by far.then why do you rate the penalty won much more than the penalty converter?
13 goals in a striker partnership alongside Virdis while Van Basten was injured in 1987-88 11 goals in his next season as a support striker/second striker next to Van Basten Ruud Gullit 24 non-penalty goals in his first 2 seasons. Diego Maradona 20 non-penalty goals in his first 2 seasons. After that Gullit played majority as a playmaker, so the discussion is not very fair to either. (To make it clear i don't think Gullit is a better or equal scorer; I just think Diego's scoring in the European Cup was poor)