I agree that players complement each other, but if you have two players of the same level in attack, the team will play based on both. While if one is clearly superior to the others, the team will play for the best attacking partner. For example, let's say Messi and Cristiano played on the same team. The GC% of both would drop drastically because sometimes the team would look for Ronaldo and sometimes they would look for Messi depending on the game situation.But Messi has never played with a striker at his level. Only regarding Maradona and Shearer I say that it is possible to measure how much the fact that they had worse teammates inflated their GC%. Just look at how many goals their teammates produced that they weren't involved in. Statistics is about the denominator, not the numerator. If Careca and Carnevalle had generated more goals, Maradona's GC% would be lower. As they generated few, Maradona's GC% was high. Messi had a higher GC% in Argentina because there he had Higuaín and Di Maria instead of Suarez and Neymar. They produced fewer goals without Messi's involvement and therefore Messi's GC% was higher. This example is perfect to illustrate this. Maradona in Argentina had Valdano and Burruchaga in place of Careca and Carnevalle. And so on
How you do not understand that you are compeltely trashing your previous argument on gc% is beyond me? You are adding context beyond ga per game to excuse ga per game as being wrong. Yet gc% should be true withojt any context. Shearer must have lower gc% than Ronaldo? Otherwise it is flawed statistic. But when Messi has higher ga per game than Ronaldo, then it is about who did what and when. It doesnt matter. If you cant logically understand your fundamental mistake in thinking and reasoning, i cant help you at all. Still Messi has better ga per game. Either Messi then is factually better by better statistic than Cristiano in ucl. Or you drop standard that gc% MUST yield perfect reflection of players abilities.
The difference is that goals per game or per 90 is the number of times the player participated in a goal divided by the number of games or minutes he played. GC% is about how many goals the player's teammates scored without his involvement. If a teammate of Maradona scores 10 goals without his involvement, the GC% is 1. If the teammate is involved in 50 without Maradona's involvement, his GC% drops dramatically. P Note that in both cases, it is not Maradona's performance that influences this number, but the performance of his teammates that alters the value. Do you realize how problematic this is?
All stats needs context. But GC% is not about the player. It's about his teammates. It goes up or down depending on how many goals your teammates have scored without your involvement.
yes , Diego Maradona at His peak ... He Delivered much more defensive work and playmaking, worked patiently. Long-range balls and crossing with greater technical quality and vision. Maradona in 1985... World Cup qualifiers... Diego...destroyed 1 14 9- 5-85 Buenos Aires Paraguay 1-1 36 1 15 14- 5-85 Buenos Aires Chile 2-0 37 2 17 26- 5-85 San Cristóbal Venezuela 3-2 World Cup Qualifier 38 17 2- 6-85 Bogotá Colombia 3-1 World Cup Qualifier 39 1 18 9- 6-85 Buenos Aires Venezuela 3-0 World Cup Qualifier 40 18 16- 6-85 Buenos Aires Colombia 1-0 World Cup Qualifier 41 18 23- 6-85 Lima Peru 0-1 World Cup Qualifier 42 18 30- 6-85 Buenos Aires Peru 2-2 World Cup Qualifier Diego A Total Footballer version 1985-1987 . ! Ronaldo Nazario's peak is like Thierry Henry peak... But a little bit better than Henry... Ronaldo Nazario had more pure talent, technique in general with ambi-dextrous feet ..Henry don't finalize correctly any crossing with left-foot 15 (1) , and skill than Thierry Henry... Henry suffered from total haste and rashness.
Yes, Maradona delivered more playmaking but Ronaldo delivered more goals. Which do you think is more important?
He " Diego " Delivered much more defensive work to to eliminate any equality El dia que Maradona humillo a todo Colombia!!! Baile del Diez 1985 1985 Away Diego Maradona vs Colombia - YouTube
GA per game is influenced by performance of teammates as well. It doesnt work around the problem you think it does. Clearly it doesnt, because otherwise GA per game would be stable for player across his career. It is not. It varies even more than gc%. Player can create a chance: If a teammate scores, it registers as an assist If the teammate doesnt score, it doesnt. That is literally out of the control as well. Goals do not work around that neither A goalscorer is dependent on delivery and opportunity. If ga per game does work around that problem, or goals, then Messi is better than Cristiano in ucl. Period.
And if someones teammates are scoring a lot of goal each game, what does that tell you about difficulty of scoring? If you teammates are scoring a lot, it follows that you should to. It is just comparison. No different than comparing ga per game of any two players. You are doing that all the time.
El dia que Maradona humillo a todo Colombia!!! Baile del Diez 1985 Is funny there in that part that Maradona losing a bad easier goal directly with right foot ..there on the box or Argentine commentator of this entire game to protect Diego completely says there: He can also make or commit mistakes - why not? He probably did this to prove that he's a simple human like us .
In fact it does. GC% is about a player's teammates, not about him. It is a statistic based on the denominator, not the numerator. You can't escape this. Maradona had a higher GC% because his teammates scored fewer goals without his involvement
Again, whether my teammates are scoring more or fewer goals without my involvement has nothing to do with my performance, only theirs. The same player can have a different GC% based on how many goals his teammates score without his involvement. This has nothing to do with the player.
I'll give you an example: When Neymar was at Santos, his GC% was high. When he went to Barça his GC% dropped. What changed is that at Barça, Messi was scoring goals that didn't depend on him. There wasn't one in Santos. The player is the same. What has changed is that teammates are now more goal-scoring. This has nothing to do with Neymar. It has to do with Messi. Rooney increased his GC% a lot when Cristiano left ManUtd. And it's not because Rooney has improved as a player. But because there was a player who scored 30 goals per season and now he doesn't have that anymore. In both cases, the statistic isn't about the player. It's about who plays with him.
I Know that you are very very Fan Of Ronaldo Nazario de Lima , Romário, Ronaldinho Gaucho, Neymar Jr ...Bebeto Rivaldo ... etc.etc.etc... brazilian players...etc.. some of them delivered more dribbling skills repertoire and art... yes some of them delivered...more goals............yes ... But in terms of Total Footballism... and to be a very very complete player Zico, Diego, Michel Platini, Gullit, Paul Breitner, Lothar Matthaus, Brehme, Briegel, 80's etc., etc., etc. even Mario Wolf Zagallo 50's 60's delivered much more than these Brazilian players from the 90s, 2000s, 2010s that you like too much and that you are one bigger fan of them . it is like Valdo spoken about Zico vs Ronaldinho Gaucho " by Valdo meu menino do Gremio FBA "
So you think Steven Gerrard were better than R9 because he defended, built, created and scored goals while R9 only scored goals?
You’re always sneaking this guy into conversations he does not belong in Mario zagallo scored 5 goals for his country(0.15 goals per game) He was a winger who contributed defensively but 5 goals is completely diabolical especially playing for the Brazilian NT of that time Do you think 15 tackles you found on two match comps will save him? And you contradict yourself by referencing Zico. He was not known for his defensive output and in fact not at all
.... .. no way man ! Zico... did it so many many interceptions . ! Zico vs Ponte Preta: Campeonato Brasileiro 1980 Zico playing as a third-man in the midfield zone 3- Tackles won % 3- Interceptions .. % 1 - Pre- Assist(Opta ) Long range Balls .. 1 - Goal... first time shots with great accuracy % is funny ..that Zico ... when He tackles won % ... then He tries a dribble like Johan Cruyff .... " Cruyff's turns " Go to 6: 00 minutes at video there .... He tackles one opponent there ... and then ...give the show .. What a Show !
no , I'm not ! Ronaldinho Gaucho, Ronaldo Nazario de Lima, Romário... and Adriano Drunk They never had a period of delivering that much at whole defensive work... they only worked sporadically in defense... with rare defensive actions " completed " ........... ... Zico ..when He plays as a Shadow Striker or Second Striker ..delivered really much lesser in defensive actions ..yes But comparing ..with Romário ..Ronaldinho Gaucho ..Nazario ...de Lima ,..Drunk Adriano ..Henry .. remains a true oasis and revolutionary in defense compared to these all lazy players
No...,Gerrard ... was slower , without agility without mobility without acceleration without dribbling skills Like Rijkaard type . !
Steven Gerrard 863 Matches 212 ..Goals 178... Assists ... honestly ... jogador bem meia-boca ... e comum .. ! Équipe d'Angleterre – Premier tour de l'Euro 2000 v · m Équipe d'Angleterre – Quart-de-finaliste de l'Euro 2004 v · m Équipe d'Angleterre – Quart-de-finaliste de la Coupe du monde 2006 v · m Équipe d'Angleterre – Huitième-de-finaliste de la Coupe du monde 2010 v · m Équipe d'Angleterre – Quart-de-finaliste de l'Euro 2012 v · m Équipe d'Angleterre – Premier tour de la Coupe du monde 2014