Goal contribution of the best players

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  1. Vegan10

    Vegan10 Member+

    Aug 4, 2011
    In fact at least for the Madrid press, by the end of 1954 Alfredo was already hailed as the best player they had seen. Several years later the London newspaper also placed him in the top 10 all time. So the excellent find of Titanlux makes some sense after all.

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/a...er-match-reports.1994303/page-8#post-38668653
     
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  2. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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  3. Double Six

    Double Six Member

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Feb 5, 2021
    For Di Stéfano's stay in Argentina (1945-1949), we could know his assist numbers based on El Mundo.

    Thanks to Lodise's work the newspaper digitalized from 1931 all the way to 1967, so we should be able to look at Di Stéfano's assist (and perhaps even pre assist) numbers in the period he played in Argentina since every game is detailed.

    It can be downloaded here if anyone is interested: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vdn4msbhux0snfm/AABLXLkM5WLL_ILoshLQe5Qfa?dl=0
     
  4. Double Six

    Double Six Member

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Feb 5, 2021
    I just made Di Stéfano's game log from 1945 and his loan season in Huracán. I don't know why he's credited 2 cup games in 1946 when he only played against San Lorenzo. He wasn't in the first XI against Atlanta in the R16 so I don't understand why he's credited as having played the game.

    Anyways, this brings his assist count from 9 to just 3 (+ 2 pre-assists).

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    Di Stéfano isn't mentioned here​
     
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  5. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    Amazing! Thank you for this
     
  6. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    Di Stéfano assists 1956/57-1957/58-1958/59

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    1957/58

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  7. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    it seems that the estimate was above reality..

    So in the first six seasons in Real Madrid
    In 227 games, 20422 minutes, scored 195 goals (22 PK) and made 73 assists.
    That is 0.322 assists per 90 minutes.

    With this the estimation now is 238 assists in all his career
     
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  8. BayernMessi1970

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Oct 27, 2020
    What is his total career assists?
     
  9. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    CA Boca Juniors
    For me it seems that the GK rebound was not an assists because other player touch the ball after Di Stefano, I consider it a pre assists.
    Also I think I found two more assists, so four in total.

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  10. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    Season 1947

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  11. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
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    Real Madrid
    Just for the sake of consistency

    Transfermarket are actually missing 45 wide assists of Lionel Messi and 8 assists of Cristiano
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    Assists-Cristiano Ronaldo
    List of Cristiano assists transfermarket are missing
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  12. BayernMessi1970

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Oct 27, 2020
    yeah, Messi has 377 assists using that definition, Cristiano something like 270
     
  13. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    This is a good resource.

    The years 1937-1942 are considered something of a golden age of Argentinian football. That is not how El Mundo saw it at the time. The newspaper often harks back to the good old days of amateur football (before 1931). Since the arrival of professionalism, much of the game's nobility and generosity of spirit has apparently disappeared.

    Football is more violent and obsessed with money and winning. Referees are biased and attention-seeking, their jobs made harder by constant criticism from club directors who are only interested in their own team.

    What about the famous "Máquina" of River Plate? They play too much through the middle, with Moreno, Pedernera and Labruna constantly exchanging short passes in central areas that go nowhere. The wingers are good but under-utilised. Defender Norberto Yácono receives as much praise as anyone.

    In 1941 the newspaper receives a letter from Tomás Wilson, a former Argentine international goalkeeper who retired in 1916. He claims that during the amateur era it was common for the best players to be able to fill virtually any position on the field. Now only two are capable of doing so: Peucelle and Sastre - and Peucelle is in his last season. Nominally forwards, both are apparently equally adept in defence.

    Is nostalgia a common theme in Argentine football?
     
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  14. Double Six

    Double Six Member

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Feb 5, 2021
    Just checked to see if that was correct and this was what I found.

    The assist against Ferro seemed odd, since he passed it to Gutiérrez, his shot hit the post and Garavano put it on his own net (pre-assist maybe?)
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    The assist against Tigre is correct
    From what I saw, all of those assists were correct. Good job!
     
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  15. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    yes it is an own goal I don´t know why I thought it was from Gutiérrez
     
  16. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

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    Source El Mundo don't have info of the first 7 games of the year, "Copa Británica" (1) and "Copa de Clubes Campeones" (6), Di Stefano could have made an assist in three of those games.

    Season 1948

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  17. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    Season 1949 River Plate

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  18. BayernMessi1970

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Oct 27, 2020
    how many assists counted in total for now?
     
  19. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

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    So far 98 assists in 328 games, 0.299 per game
     
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  20. Double Six

    Double Six Member

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Feb 5, 2021
    I don't know if it was mentioned but hemeroteca.mundodeportivo.com can be really useful for Di Stéfano's match log and for many other important players (playing in Spain of course). They also have match commentaries for the Spanish national team so that's another bonus for Di Stéfano. And they have it digitalized every single day from the period Di Stéfano played in so they can't miss a match unless it just wasn't important enough for them (considering that Di Stéfano played for Real Madrid there's a very low chance of that happening). It's probably as detailed as El Mundo (I'm yet to do any significant investigation there), which probably means we have his assist count for the remaining Real Madrid seasons he played in + Probably his two Español seasons + The national team (I don't know if they have the 1947 Copa América covered as well but they probably have all of Spain's).
     
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  21. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    Thanks, I already used it, ABC and Mundo Deportivo both are really good
     
  22. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

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    For season 1958/59 of Ferenc Puskás I found two more assists, 14 in total

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  23. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

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    CA Boca Juniors
    Alfredo Di Stéfano and Ferenc Puskás
    Season 1959/60


    For Di Stefano I have counted 14 assists, 0.412 per game, with this his goal+assist contribution for this season is 33.33%

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    Puskás really surprised me, 23 assists, 0.639 per game!
    2 G+A per game, and a contribution of 54.54%

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  24. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    CA Boca Juniors
    The assists estimation:

    Alfredo Di Stéfano, counted 362 games, 113 assists, 0.312 per 90m
    The assists represent 17.29% of the goals
    With this the estimation in 704 games is 222 assists

    Ferenc Puskás, counted his first two seasons in Real Madrid, 70 games, 37 assists, 0.533 per 90m
    The assists represent 24.39% of the goals
    With this the estimation in 715 games is 371 assists

    The table with the new estimation

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  25. BayernMessi1970

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Oct 27, 2020
    Hopefully we can find their entire career total and make a graph with that. Hopefully the same with Best, Garrincha, Zico, Platini, Eusebio
     
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