Goal contribution of the best players

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  1. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    From August, 1st to July, 31th of the next year
     
  2. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    It's the same, I have no way of obtaining detailed data for most of Kempes matches with the argentine NT, especially from his early years.
     
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  3. spartacus7

    spartacus7 Member

    Jul 8, 2023
    I think you should count the calendar year in those cases. Is there any issue arising if you do it like this?
     
  4. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Lionel Messi for Inter Miami
    Matches: 39
    Goals: 34 (1 PK, 3 FK, 2 Hdr)
    Assists: 18
    Non-Opta: 3
    Pre-Assists: 10
    G+A* p90: 1.919
    Team Contribution 65/85: 76.47%
    Clutch Contribution 33/46: 71.74%

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  5. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    yes Messi is a Technique Machine like Pelé and Puskas

    Congratulations on your work ae daily...


    You really got it right about Van Basten.. You estimated 117 assists he actually has between 117 Assists and 123 Assists on my review .


    How did you understand this about Van Basten Estimated assistance???
     
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  6. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    First 39 Games
    Messi-Inter Miami
    Pelé-Cosmos
    C.Ronaldo-Al-Nassr

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  7. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Lionel Messi in 2024
    Matches: 36
    Goals: 29 (1 PK, 1 FK, 2 Hdr)
    Assists: 18
    Non-Opta: 2
    Pre-Assists: 10

    Goals p90: 0.902
    As+PreA p90: 0.932

    Team Contribution 59/76: 77.63%
    Clutch Contribution 32/44: 72.73%

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  8. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    National Team Only

    Goals from open play receiving the ball from outside the box
    Pelé: 45%
    Messi: 37.66%
    Maradona: 37.04%
    Cristiano: 22.33%

    Pre-assisting their own goals
    Messi: 20.78%
    Pelé: 12.07%
    Maradona: 11.11%
    Cristiano: 0.97%

    Pre-Assists to the teammates goals
    (Excluding the player's own goals and assists)
    Messi: 26.03%
    Maradona: 13.56%
    Pelé: 13.56%
     
  9. Sexy Beast

    Sexy Beast Member+

    Dinamo Zagreb
    Croatia
    Aug 11, 2016
    Zagreb
    Club:
    --other--
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    Croatia
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  10. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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  11. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    *I made a mistake with Messi. I excluded goals from outside the box where he also made a pre-assist, so I accidentally deducted a couple.
    Pelé's pre-assists also went down slightly because I found data for another goal.


    National Team Only
    Goals from open play receiving the ball outside the box
    Pelé: 45%
    Messi: 44.16%
    Ronaldo: 41.51%
    Maradona: 37.04%
    Cristiano: 22.33%

    Pre-assisting their own goals
    Messi: 20.78%
    Pelé: 11.67%
    Maradona: 11.11%
    Ronaldo: 3.77%
    Cristiano: 0.97%
     
  12. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Goal Contribution while on the pitch (Goals+Assists+A Non-Opta)

    Pelé
    Matches: 819
    Goals: 756 (85 PK, 44 FK, 99 Hdr)
    Assists: 364
    Non-Opta: 125
    G+A p90: 1.570
    Team Contribution: 60.38%

    Diego Maradona

    Matches: 680
    Goals: 344 (88 PK, 59 FK, 24 Hdr)
    Assists: 202
    Non-Opta: 53
    G+A p90: 0.914
    Team Contribution: 56.72%

    Lionel Messi

    Matches: 1083
    Goals: 850 (109 PK, 66 FK, 28 Hdr)
    Assists: 379
    Non-Opta: 101
    G+A p90: 1.347
    Team Contribution: 55.93%



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  13. anamnesis del fútbol

    Apr 9, 2021
    How many assists with the Opta criteria?
     
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  14. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    The best Specialist


    that I know all over the entire world..

    it's Trachta @

    He can

    Also find Assistance

    difficult .... harder Assists to find out always

    by Johan Cruyff..
    Ferenc Puskas
    Di Stefano..
    and Edson Arantes Pelé..



    He has older Journals showing us the Assists or Contributions in general .
    He did it once

    between Diego Maradona, Michel Platini, Zico...

    Assistance (Opta)

    and

    Assistance (non-Opta)

    I usually

    I count assists as

    Direct and Indirect .
     
  15. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    ⚪️River Plate 1947
    Charro Moreno vs Di Stéfano

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  16. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    ⚪️River Plate
    Charro Moreno 1937
    Charro Moreno 1947
    Di Stéfano 1947

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  17. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Do you have the stats of Pedernera in 1942?
     
  18. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    I don't have it, but I could look it up
     
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  19. Tom Souster

    Tom Souster Member

    Jul 20, 2016
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Thierry Henry Career Statistics 1994-2014
    I posted on this thread a couple of years ago with my sheet of Thierry Henry's game-by-game career stats. I previously was missing around 25 games worth of data from his monaco years, but since then have managed to fill in almost all of these missing games.With great assistance from @wm442433 in looking through french newspaper archives from the 90's, i've been able to find data for all but 2 of Henry's matches.

    For reference (if anyone has other sources) the two missing games are:
    11/12/1996 Coupe de la ligue Monaco 3-3 Troyes
    5/1/1998 Coupe de la ligue Monaco 1-1 Chamois Niort (possible penalty assist)

    My data is collated from video, with opta assists being recorded for consistency (no rebounded shots, deflected passes etc.) The previous reviews of Henry's career stats have come from spanish wikipedia sources but these are largely inflated and incorrect.

    My spreadsheet is here:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_HJ20Nape5WVbmaE0BRUoFMwWCFe0qqiFR_TzAg3le8/edit?usp=sharing

    Total stats for each team:
    Monaco:
    141 Games played, 7337 minutes
    28 Goals 13 Assists 1 Penalty Assist

    Juventus Total:
    20 Games played, 16 Starts, 1398 minutes.
    2 Goals 2 Assists

    Arsenal Total:
    377 Games played, 338 Starts, 30568 minutes.
    228 Goals (27 pens) 98 Assists 11 Penalty Assists (3 scored himself).

    Barcelona Total:
    121 Games played, 100 Starts, 8544 minutes.
    49 Goals 26 Assists 1 Penalty Assist

    NY Red Bulls Total:
    135 Games played, 122 Starts, 11,486 minutes.
    52 Goals 41 Assists 3 Penalty Assists

    France:
    123 Games played, 106 Starts, 9180 minutes.
    51 Goals (1 pen) 27 Assists 3 Penalty Assists.

    Career Total
    917 Games Played, 68513 mins
    411 Goals (28 pens), 208 Assists, 19 Penalty Assists (3 scored himself)


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  20. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    CA Boca Juniors
    Amazing brother!! Thanks
     
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  21. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    Non-Penalty Goals + Assists Per90 entire career

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  22. Praasen

    Praasen Member

    Mohun bagan
    Argentina
    Jan 8, 2023
    Pele?cruyff? Puscas?
     
  23. Praasen

    Praasen Member

    Mohun bagan
    Argentina
    Jan 8, 2023
    Are non-opta assists included?
     
  24. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    #3224 Trachta10, Dec 1, 2024
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2024
    Estimation of Opta Pre-Assists, strict criteria: Direct pass→Direct pass→Goal

    For Pelé in 117 games analysed, he Pre-Assisted arround 15.7% of the team's goals (excluding those he scored or assisted).

    That gives me around 120 Opta Pre-Assists in 819 games.

    Including Non-Opta actions like GK rebound, Post rebound, etc: (Pelé has to do a direct pass, and is the player that make the assist that do the Non-Opta assist). The percentage goes to 23% of Team's goals Pre-Assisted. It can goes to 180 Pre-Assists in 819 games.

    For Maradona:
    In Napoli, in 259 games he has 27 Opta Pre-Assists, that is arround 15% of Team's goals Pre-Assisted. Added to more games I have analysed on video, I estimate that he could have arround 68 Opta Pre-Assists in 680 games, a 14.8% of the team's goals (excluding those he scored or assisted). I don't have data for Non-Opta actions.

    Lionel Messi:

    In 988 games analysed he has 159 Opta Pre-Assists, 16.7% of the team's goals.
    And 50 Non-Opta Pre-Assists, The percentage goes to 22% of Team's goals Pre-Assisted

    In a few days I will have the complete data on Messi, but in the meantime I estimate In 1083 games arround 175 Opta Pre-Assists.

    Cristiano Ronaldo:

    In this video I found 55 Opta Pre-Assists

    He Pre-Assisted arround 4.4% of the team's goals (excluding those he scored or assisted).
    For Cristiano, I have a friend who is going to analyze the data thoroughly, and in a few days, he'll also send me the complete data, so it might change a bit.


    This would be the total participation in the team's goals:
    Goals
    Assists (Opta)
    Assists (Non-Opta)
    Pre-Assists (Opta) (estimation)


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    Explanation: In this case, Pelé's percentage is 5.95% because I am only using the 120 Opta Pre-Assists and not excluding the player's own goals and assists, If I exclude his goals and assists, then his percentage goes up to 15.7%, as I mentioned at the beginning.
     
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  25. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    only Opta assists
     

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