Goal contribution of the best players

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Trachta10, Nov 4, 2020.

  1. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    It's his goal contribution percent bullshit. Obviously players who plays for teams with less good forwards will have a higher contribution percent. See Jack Grealish playing for Aston Villa for example and compare it with him playing for Man City
     
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  2. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    .....According to FIFA
    Football is a sport whose grass field is 105 meters long by 68 meters wide, a FIFA standard. Two teams made up of 11 players compete in a match in which the main objective is to score as many goals as possible.
     
  3. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Goal is bullshit for you ???
     
  4. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Best Goalscorers All-Time (All Matches - Top level)
    NB: preliminary list containing:

    1. Official goals in top level;
    2. All international friendlies;
    3. National friendlies against top-league teams; tournaments; select matches.

    Pele 770 396 108 1274
    Bican, Josef 743 195 143 1081
    Puskas, Ferenc 761 179 71 1011

    NB: most likely only these 3 players scored over 1000 goals at this level in football history.
    ....
     
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  5. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    ....
    One season (all matches – Top level)
    NB: preliminary list containing:

    1. Official goals in top level;
    2. All international friendlies;
    3. National friendlies against top-league teams; tournaments; select matches.

    Pele 1959 120 101(68/55, 42/36 Int, 4/4 sel, 6/6 ag. clubs)
    Willimowski, Ernst 1940-41 111 48
    Pele 1961 105 72
    Roberts, Frederick 1930-31 105 53
    Bambrick, Joseph 1929-30 103 60
    Pele 1965 103 74
    Kocsis, Sandor 1954 101 60
    Deak, Ferenc 1948-49 99 57
    Messi, Lionel 2012* 98 74
    Sarosi, György 1937-38 95 49
     
  6. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    ...
    Best Goalscorers All-Time (All Matches)
    Goals Matches
    Tichy, Lajos 1917 1307
    Bican, Josef 1813+ 1089
    Helmchen, Erwin 1611+ 939 #
    Puskas, Ferenc 1569+ 1270
    Müller, Gerhard 1483 1228
    Bene, Ferenc 1425+ 1480
    Deak, Ferenc 1375+ 839
    Pele 1324 1413
    Takacs II, Jozsef 1214+ 940
    Binder, Franz 1202+ 832
    Kocsis, Sandor 1185+ 905
    Szusza, Ferenc 1155+ 1029
    Szilagyi, Guyla 1114+ 919
    Sarosi, György 1098+ 1051
    Willimowski, Ernst 1079+ 691 #
    Zsengeller, Gyula 1076+ 961
    Hidegkuti, Nandor 1043+ 1074
    Rooke, Ronald 1031+ 1105
    Lenstra, Abe 1030+ 1099
    Albert, Florian 1017+ 1093
    Schlosser, Imre 1016+ 800
    Auer (Avar), Stefan 1007+ 780
    Romario 1002 1209
     
  7. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    ....https://www.rsssf.org/players/prolific.html
     
  8. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    you don't think so Like Carlos Alberto Parreira by the way ... Goal is a Detail for you as well like Parreira HeadCoach hahahahahaha ????


    Carta para Tia Vilma ...hahaha ...or Lucia ...
     
  9. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    You have to understand that the number of goals and assists a player generates is directly proportional to what the other players on the team generate. That is, in a different context, the same player will produce different numbers, but it's still the same player.

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    If Maradona played on a team that scored a lot of goals, he would also generate high numbers, and this is objectively proven by the fact that, when his team scored 3 or more goals, he maintained the same percentage of contribution

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    No statistic is perfect, but using G+A per 90 is worse than using the percentage of contribution. This is closer to the truth. The case of Cruyff in particular can be analyzed in a specific context. Playmaking players tend to significantly reduce their percentage, and he didn't take penalties or free kicks. Considering his context, it's not bad at all

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  10. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    ...........According to FIFA
    Football is a sport whose grass field is 105 meters long by 68 meters wide, a FIFA standard. Two teams made up of 11 players compete in a match in which the main objective is to score as many goals as possible.






    I know this ... i did the same ...


    with Michel Platini ..Van Basten... Ronaldinho Gaucho ...





    Michel Platini

    223 matches ( 224)
    104 goals
    79 Assists
    44 Pre-Assists ...

    Total Of Points ... 100




    Marco van Basten

    201 matches
    125 goals
    55 Assists ..
    11 Pre-Assists ...


    Total Of Points .... 94 .




    Ronaldinho Gaucho


    207 matches
    94 goals
    68 Assists ..
    30 Pre-Assists ....


    Total Of Points ... 91 ....




    Michael Laudrup


    226 matches
    55 goals
    61 Assists
    43 Pre-Assists


    Total Of Points .... 70 ..
     
  11. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    well ..... you are free always ..to decide what's his method to use in researching .....etc ..!!
     
  12. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    ...https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1148906949708844
     
  13. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Neymar has played 717 matches. @Tropeiro

    These are Messi's and Cristiano's numbers when they reached the same amount

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  14. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    Michel Platini TeamGoals ... 0, 69 %
    Ronaldinho Gaucho .... TeamGoals ... 0, 40 % or 0, 39 %
     
  15. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Obviously not. The percentage stat is bullshit. The goal is the most important on football
     
  16. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    I don't know if you think the comparison is ridiculous because Mbappé is obviously performing far below his usual level and Yamal is clearly far superior so far this season.
    Or if you think Yamal is just an average player and doesn't deserve the comparison with Mbappé because Mbappé is clearly superior. If the case is the latter, you really know much less about football than I imagined.
     
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  17. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Try to understand this graph, and make the effort for all your neurons to reason what you're reading. If you can't understand, I now see why you’re such a fan of Cristiano Ronaldo.

    The number of goals and assists a player generates is directly proportional to what the other players on the team generate.

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    When Maradona played on a team that scored 3+ goals, he maintained his contribution percentage just like always. This means that the raw number of G+A is totally relative to the circumstances. Take a moment to think about this graph I know you can.

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  18. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    ....

    ...
    You are contradicting yourself at the moment


    For examples...

    I will never make any ridiculous comparison

    like Mario Jardel vs Marco van Basten

    by average of goals




    ....

    But for example Marco van Basten vs Ronaldo Nazario I think this metric is extremely valid. to Look at the Average of Goals..and Assists at the same time.. another example this Diego Maradona vs Ronaldinho...






    Maradona

    680 matches
    345 goals
    239 Assists ..
    0, 51 % Goals..
    0, 35 % Assists ..

    vs



    Ronaldinho .Gaucho ..

    816 matches
    301 Goals
    230 Assists

    0, 36 % Goals
    0, 28 % Assists ..






    Marco van Basten

    431 matches
    301 Goals
    128 Assists

    0, 69 % Goals
    0, 29 % Assists ..





    vs


    Ronaldo Nazario ..

    616 matches
    414 Goals

    0, 67 % Goals
    0, 22 % Assists ...


    All competitions and averages in whole career are on this......" Onto "





    I don't like your criteria of only evaluating players based on their UEFA Champions League history or Historical ...

    this is so unfair
     
  19. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    The percentage stat is bullshit for you ..!


    For me not not not !
    ..
     
  20. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Is Valid ... yes .... on my view !
     
  21. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    Diego Armando Maradona
    He's light years ahead of Ronaldinho Gaucho ..




    Van Basten is slightly superior or better to Ronaldo Nazario..


    At least ... a draw..
     
  22. Sexy Beast

    Sexy Beast Member+

    Dinamo Zagreb
    Croatia
    Aug 11, 2016
    Zagreb
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Goal percantage stat is bs, but god forbid someone excludes shots on target from analysis.

    Mate, you are so predictable. We all know why you are saying that. If Cristiano was at the top in terms of percantages, it would be the most important stat in history of football.
     
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  23. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Aston Villa 20/21 1.44 goals per game
    Grealish 20/21 0.61 G/A per game
    Goal contribution percent 42%

    Man City 21/22 2.60 goals per game
    Grealish 21/22 0.23 G/A per game
    Goal contribution percent 8%

    "the number of goals and assists a player generates is directly proportional to what the other players on the team generate"

    -Trachta10, 2024
     
  24. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    You mean like Messi is the top at dribbling so dribbling is the most important stat?
     
  25. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I agree with the first sentence. I partially agree with the second one. Yamal is not an average player, that has been clear since last season. But he doesn't deserve to be compared to Mbappé who is the best player itw if you consider what he made over the last 5 years. It's still too early to make that comparison.
     

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