Goal contribution of the best players

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  1. Tropeiro

    Tropeiro Member+

    Jun 1, 2018
    Pattern plays in the past (or the opposite...) included much more solo efforts than these days, thats my impression.
     
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  2. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
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    Ok, so I guess you mean he considers all the goals scored in games they played in effect, and you knock it down a bit to account for time off the pitch (in theory another way would be to consider just the goals when they were on the pitch, although then again if a team is scoring a lot when the player has left the pitch maybe that can say something else too).

    I feel like another column for non-penalty goals plus assists %, and even another for non-penalty goals plus Opta assists %, can be good (at one point they were your main criteria I think, but at least showing them along with the overall wide % can be informative I reckon still).
     
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  3. Tropeiro

    Tropeiro Member+

    Jun 1, 2018
    Tractcha, do you have Cristiano Ronaldo's historical table with non-opta assists and pre-assists?
     
  4. Trachta10

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  5. Trachta10

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    Yes, exactly. Since I don't have the exact data for goals scored only while the player was on the pitch, I always use g+a per 90, which more or less adjusts for players with fewer minutes per games played. Yeah, when I started counting non-opta assists, it seemed fair to also count penalty goals. I could have one column for (non-penalty goals + opta assists) and another for (goals + all types of assists)
     
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  6. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

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    Yes, I guess non-Opta assists includes penalties won so being in the same category with penalties scored makes sense I think. Then it is open play (plus free-kicks) with one method and including consideration of penalties (and various rebounds etc) with the wider method I guess.

    I mentioned before I know, but for non-penalty goals plus opta assists my preference is to only look at open play (note: minus penalties I mean of course) goals scored by the team too (without penalties scored by team-mates factored in when working out the contribution %).
     
  7. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    Clutch G+A Per90

    Pelé: 0.600
    Puskás: 0.577
    Messi: 0.566
    Ronaldo Nazario: 0.531 (Real Madrid)
    Mbappé: 0.522
    Haaland: 0.510
    Zlatan: 0.499
    C.Ronaldo: 0.480
    Maradona: 0.479
    Cruyff: 0.412
     
  8. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    Haaland All time stats

    Team% contribution: 52.57%
    Clutch% contribution: 44.33%

     
  9. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    First 104 Games
    Cristiano Ronaldo-Real Madrid
    Haaland-Manchester City

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  10. Trachta10

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    Gerd Muller 1966/67




    First 87 Games

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  11. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    How many years has gerd muller at his 87th game?
     
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  12. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    20 or 21 years old in that moment ! 3 november 1945 !
     
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  13. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    .....
     
  14. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    Stats with the National Team

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  15. Trachta10

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    #2865 Trachta10, Sep 21, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2024
    I was reviewing this a bit, and it seems that the user who made the count of Cristiano's clutch goals made several mistakes. I started checking, and between 2012 and 2014, he counted 100 goals and 11 clutch assists, but I have 106 goals and 12 clutch assists. He has a total of 435 clutch goals, but the correct number should be around 450-460. So, sorry for that error, it wasn't mine, but I shared it trusting that it was correct

    On the other hand, it was another user who counted the Non-Opta assists, and this data does seem reliable to me, he counted about 76, while the website messivsronaldo has 65.
     
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  16. Bin1250

    Bin1250 Member

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    Argentina
    Jun 16, 2023
    Thank you for following up So Ronaldo probably has the most clutch goals + assists in history Do you have the statistics per assist from Ronaldo in his career?
     
  17. Trachta10

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    Apr 25, 2016
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    Neymar in the World Cup
    Matches: 13
    Goals: 8
    Assists: 3
    Non-Opta: 1
    Pre-Assists: 4
    Team Contribution 16/23: 69.57%
    Clutch Contribution 10/13: 76.92%

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  18. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
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    Feb 3, 2024


    IF HAD A GOOD MIND COULD BE ONE OF THE GREATS ... IN HISTORY ...


    MENTALLY AND MENTALITY ... TOO WEAKER !
     
  19. Trachta10

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    Yamal vs Mbappé 2024/25 so far

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  20. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    What kind of ridiculous comparison is that? Lol
     
  21. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    Neymar 2012

     
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  22. Trachta10

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    Apr 25, 2016
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    Neymar Calendar Year Stats

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    Great Players Stats Per90

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  23. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024




    How Johan Cruyff ... stays behind Of Diego Armando Maradona ... ???



    Johan Cruyff

    710 matches
    405 goals ..
    458 Assists ...




    vs


    Diego Armando Maradona

    680 matches
    345 goals
    239 Assists ...


    How Johan Cruyff stays behind ???
     
  24. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    I think you don’t understand, this is the percentage of participation in the team's goals, it helps to understand the particular context of each player.
     
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  25. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    .........i know ...on TeamGoals % in general ...

    But it is abit stranger ... for me ..



    But I like Maradona as well ...

    SuperGenius of the Football . !


    i'll do it .. as soon as possible ...

    videos of Maradona 1986 ...World Cup

    on Key-Passes
    on Dribbles made per 90 minutes ...!
     

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