Goal contribution of the best players

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Trachta10, Nov 4, 2020.

  1. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Robert Lewandowski

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    Counted 714 games since season 2007/08
    Played 57813 minutes (80.97 mpg), scored 486 goals and 148 assists.
    In 714 games, GF: 1586 (2.221 pg)- GA: 653 (0.915 pg)

    Per 90 minutes:
    Goals: 0.757
    Assists: 0.230
    G+A: 0.987

    Goal contribution: 34.06%
    G+A contribution: 44.43%

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  2. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Sergio Agüero

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    Counted 740 games since season 2005/06
    Played 53286 minutes (72.01 mpg), scored 416 goals and 141 assists.
    In 740 games, GF: 1446 (1.954 pg)- GA: 769 (1.039 pg)

    Per 90 minutes:
    Goals: 0.703
    Assists: 0.238
    G+A: 0.941

    Goal contribution: 35.96%
    G+A contribution: 48.14%

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  3. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Zlatan Ibrahimovic

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    Counted 884 games since season 2001/02
    Played 68972 minutes (78.02 mpg), scored 537 goals and 207 assists.
    In 884 games, GF: 1713 (1.938 pg)- GA: 807 (0.913 pg)

    Per 90 minutes:
    Goals: 0.701
    Assists: 0.270
    G+A: 0.971

    Goal contribution: 36.16%
    G+A contribution: 50.01%


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  4. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Lautaro Martínez

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    Counted 171 games since season 2016/17
    Played 10922 minutes (63.87 mpg), scored 71 goals and 19 assists.
    In 171 games, GF: 312 (1.825 pg)- GA: 185 (1.082 pg)

    Per 90 minutes:
    Goals: 0.585
    Assists: 0.157
    G+A: 0.742

    Goal contribution: 32.07%
    G+A contribution: 40.65%

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  5. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Gabriel Batistuta

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    Counted 554 games since season 1990/91
    Played 46921 minutes (84.69 mpg), scored 318 goals and 98 assists.
    In 554 games, GF: 878 (1.585 pg)- GA: 578 (1.043 pg)

    Per 90 minutes:
    Goals: 0.610
    Assists: 0.188
    G+A: 0.798

    Goal contribution: 38.49%
    G+A contribution: 50.35%

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  6. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Andriy Shevchenko

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    Counted 593 games since season 1999/00
    Played 44315 minutes (74.73 mpg), scored 275 goals and 96 assists.
    In 593 games, GF: 969 (1.634 pg)- GA: 553 (0.933 pg)

    Per 90 minutes:
    Goals: 0.559
    Assists: 0.195
    G+A: 0.753

    Goal contribution: 34.18%
    G+A contribution: 46.11%

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  7. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Marco van Basten

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    Counted 431 games since season 1981/82
    Played 36229 minutes (84.06 mpg), scored 304 goals and 117 assists.
    In 431 games, GF: 940 (2.181 pg)- GA: 351 (0.814 pg)

    Per 90 minutes:
    Goals: 0.755
    Assists: 0.291
    G+A: 1.046

    Goal contribution: 34.63%
    G+A contribution: 47.95%

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  8. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Cristiano Ronaldo

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    Counted 1020 games since season 2002/03
    Played 82800 minutes (81.18 mpg), scored 744 goals and 263 assists.
    In 1020 games, GF: 2259 (2.215 pg)- GA: 899 (0.881 pg)

    Per 90 minutes:
    Goals: 0.809
    Assists: 0.286
    G+A: 1.095

    Goal contribution: 36.51%
    G+A contribution: 49.42%

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  9. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Pelé

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    I don't know the minutes per game, but I know substitutions were rare at the time, players like Gerd Müller or Alfredo di Stéfano played almost 90 minutes per game in their carrers, so we can asume a player like Pelé played between 88 and 90 mpg

    Counted 814 games since season 1957
    Played 71924 minutes (88.36 mpg), scored 758 goals and 305 assists.
    In 814 games, GF: 2112 (2.595 pg)- GA: 998 (1.226 pg)

    Per 90 minutes:
    Goals: 0.949
    Assists: 0.382
    G+A: 1.330

    Goal contribution: 36.56%
    G+A contribution: 51.27%

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  10. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Lionel Messi

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    Counted 880 games since season 2004/05
    Played 71599 minutes (81.36 mpg), scored 709 goals and 336 assists.
    In 880 games, GF: 2100 (2.386 pg)- GA: 754 (0.857 pg)

    Per 90 minutes:
    Goals: 0.891
    Assists: 0.422
    G+A: 1.314

    Goal contribution: 37.35%
    G+A contribution: 55.04%

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  11. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Diego Maradona

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    Counted 678 games since season 1976
    Played 58842 minutes (86.79 mpg), scored 346 goals and 241 assists.
    In 678 games, GF: 1097 (1.618 pg)- GA: 678 (1.000 pg)

    Per 90 minutes:
    Goals: 0.529
    Assists: 0.369
    G+A: 0.898

    Goal contribution: 32.71%
    G+A contribution: 55.49%

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  12. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    These are interesting and you put a lot of work in mate, to be fair! My reservations before were always about reliability of data (and secondly any idea that the calculations could answer who was really the better player definitively when there are so many variables that can affect things, but I don't think you suggest they can necessarily anyway). You do seem to have very detailed assist data for Pele now for example, so that's interesting, although I guess people might suggest it's not complete or accurate yet so I'll hold my praise just a little lol!

    Anyway, re: Shevchenko, I would guess if this data included his first Dynamo Kiev stint and not his second, the result would be different and I'd assume more favourable. Assist data could be tricky in that league and in that period in the 90s though I guess, so probably that's why you didn't attempt to go that far back for him at club level.
     
  13. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Kylian Mbappé

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    Counted 230 games since season 2015/16
    Played 16209 minutes (70.47 mpg), scored 140 goals and 86 assists.
    In 230 games, GF: 607 (2.639 pg)- GA: 219 (0.952 pg)

    Per 90 minutes:
    Goals: 0.777
    Assists: 0.478
    G+A: 1.255

    Goal contribution: 29.45%
    G+A contribution: 47.55%


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  14. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Erling Haaland

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    Counted 112 games since season 2016/17
    Played 6924 minutes (61.82 mpg), scored 81 goals and 20 assists.
    In 112 games, GF: 267 (2.384 pg)- GA: 127 (1.134 pg)

    Per 90 minutes:
    Goals: 1.053
    Assists: 0.260
    G+A: 1.313

    Goal contribution: 44.15%
    G+A contribution: 55.07%

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  15. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Ronaldo in Europe

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    Counted 507 games since season 1994/95
    Played 39737 minutes (78.38 mpg), scored 340 goals and 114 assists.
    In 507 games, GF: 1077 (2.124 pg)- GA: 527 (1.039 pg)

    Per 90 minutes:
    Goals: 0.770
    Assists: 0.258
    G+A: 1.028

    Goal contribution: 36.25%
    G+A contribution: 48.41%

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    I don't have the numbers for brazil, but making a rough estimation, his clubs made 2.050 goals per game approximately.
    In all his career Ronaldo played 623 games, 48906 minutes (78.50 mpg), scored 419 games and 141 assists. G+A 1.031 per 90 minutes
    So Ronaldo has a G+A contribution of 50.28%
     
  16. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Johan Cruyff

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    Counted 711 games since season 1964/65
    Played 61592 minutes (86.63 mpg), scored 403 goals and 353 assists.
    In 711 games, GF: 1847 (2.598 pg)- GA: 681 (0.958 pg)

    Per 90 minutes:
    Goals: 0.589
    Assists: 0.516
    G+A: 1.105

    Goal contribution: 22.67%
    G+A contribution: 42.52%

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  17. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Gerd Müller

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    Counted 711 games since season 1965/66
    Played 63904 minutes (89.88 mpg), scored 615 goals and 175 assists.
    In 711 games, GF: 1613 (2.269 pg)- GA: 909 (1.278 pg)

    Per 90 minutes:
    Goals: 0.866
    Assists: 0.246
    G+A: 1.113

    Goal contribution: 38.18%
    G+A contribution: 49.04%

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  18. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Harry Kane

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    Counted 410 games since season 2011/12
    Played 30960 minutes (75.51 mpg), scored 254 goals and 67 assists.
    In 410 games, GF: 786 (1.917 pg)- GA: 450 (1.098 pg)

    Per 90 minutes:
    Goals: 0.738
    Assists: 0.195
    G+A: 0.933

    Goal contribution: 38.52%
    G+A contribution: 48.68%

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  19. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Ruud van Nistelrooy

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    Counted 586 games since season 1997/98
    Played 45307 minutes (77.32 mpg), scored 362 goals and 80 assists.
    In 586 games, GF: 1145 (1.954 pg)- GA: 658 (1.123 pg)

    Per 90 minutes:
    Goals: 0.719
    Assists: 0.159
    G+A: 0.878

    Goal contribution: 36.80%
    G+A contribution: 44.94%

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  20. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #20 carlito86, Nov 7, 2020
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2020

    This a sizeable chunk id pressume including assists pre Milan era

    @Trachta10
    Which source are you using for van basten 1984/85

    It seems to be widely inflated
    AFC ajax says 8 assists in all comps
    https://www.afc-ajax.info/en/season/1984-85#statistics

    Spanish wiki also says 8 in all comps
    https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_van_Basten


    But you say 20?
    Thats 12 assists off the mark


    There are some minor discrepancies in other areas
    Ruud van nistelrooy had 10 assists in 2002/03 not 9

    9 assists in 2001/02 not 8
    7 assists in 2003/04 not 4
    6 assists in 2005/06 not 4
    Etc....
    https://www.redcafe.net/threads/man...sts-1987-88-today.396084/page-3#post-16429267

    Transfermarket is an incomplete database and should only be used as a corroborating source

    I find it highly improbable Cruyff 1969/70 made 34 assists(in 46 official matches)
    https://www.afc-ajax.info/en/season/1969-70#statistics

    A player of that level doesn't finish 7th place in the ballon dor (in a world cup year where jairzinho,Pele,cubillas,tostao all shone but were ineligible for the ballon dor)

    Does it sound probable to you that a player could assist at a rate of 0.80 per 90 across an entire season?

    Henry 02/03 was an outlier(till now tbh) for prolific assisting forwards and his average was
    0.54 assists per 90( as per transfermarket )

    Cruyff in his pre 1970 guise was very arguably not better than prime Thierry Henry yet you think it is plausible he assists at 38% higher rate!!!!

    AFC ajax gives him 19 assists and that seems more probable to me



    Data for other seasons is simply wrong
    Ibrahimovic 08/09 is underrated
    In the league alone it was 10~ assists

    There was opta tweet flying around that said van basten 91/92 and ibrahimovic 08/09 where the only 2 players in Serie A history to score 25 goals and 10 assists

    That's just strict criteria assists
    http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/Stats_Manuals/Soccer/2009ez.pdf#page=2


    In other competitions it was more for ibrahimovic
     
  21. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Van Basten 1984/85 20 assists
    https://www.transfermarkt.es/marco-van-basten/leistungsdaten/spieler/74471/plus/0?saison=1984

    Johan Cruyff 1969/70 34 assists
    https://www.transfermarkt.es/johan-cruyff/leistungsdaten/spieler/8021/plus/0?saison=1969

    Ibrahimovic 2008/09 11 assists
    https://www.transfermarkt.es/zlatan-ibrahimovic/leistungsdaten/spieler/3455/plus/0?saison=2008
     
  22. BayernMessi1970

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Oct 27, 2020
    Didn't Gerd Muller have something like 721 goals in 769 games, and scored 67 in 72/73?
     
  23. BayernMessi1970

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Oct 27, 2020
    is it possible to find garrincha, di stefano, and puskas?
     
  24. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #24 carlito86, Nov 8, 2020
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2020
    Is transfermarket authoritative for pre champions league era players

    There are alot of holes and exaggerations

    There is a huge difference between Cruyff assisting 19 goals in 46 appearences during 1969/70 And assisting 34 goals in a 46 game season(4037 minutes)
    The difference between a top level world class player and GOAT level player

    Assisting 34 goals in a 44 match season is Something that is unprecedented in the history of football and something that was not reflected in his 1970 ballon dor ranking
    http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/europa-poy70.html
    You can't tell me a player of that level gets 0 first place votes


    Maybe you should learn to be a tiny bit more sceptical about what you see

    There are elite creative players like ozil,KDB,fabregas,Messi,xavi,iniesta,Ronaldinho,figo,Neymar,Platini,Zico,Maradona

    even micheal laudrup arguably the most effective chance creating 'machine' of all time

    Most probably if not Defintely never got 34 assists in a single season


    But Cruyff does?
    and he does it 2 or 3 years before he reaches his playmaking prime?

    I don't think you understand how insane and improbable 0.80 assists per 90 is over the course of a 40+ game season








    Transfermarket is wrong on Ibrahimovic 08/09
    It is 10 assists just in Serie A
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/serie-a-2008-09-final-statistics.1110052/
    And then there is missing data from the champions league and Coppa Italia

    Transfermarket only credit him with 7
     
  25. BayernMessi1970

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Oct 27, 2020
    I have a question.
    What do GF, GA, G dif%, Goal c%, and G+A c% stand for?
     

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